Recently a married friend of mine admitted she cheated on her husband with an ex-boyfriend. The affair lasted about 6-months before she called it off. She didn’t think her husband would ever find out and she didn’t have any plans of ever telling him.
However, she admitted that every time she looks at her husband now she feels guilty. Every time she picks up the kids, she feels guilty. In fact, there is rarely a second of the day where she doesn’t feel an overwhelming sense of guilt.
There wasn’t much I could say in the way of advice. We talked but even I, morally flexible individual that I am, could not condone her cheating. We all know cheating is wrong. It didn’t help that her husband is perfectly good to her. She just “got bored” and thought there might be “something better out there.” It happens, I guess. When our conversation ended, I realized her true punishment is the fact that she will bear the burden of guilt until, if ever, she decides to confess to her husband.
As I wrote about in, Someone Else’s Girl, when I was younger, I knowingly (and I’m sure unknowingly) was “the other man” to a married woman. There is no excuse for my actions, so I won’t bother offering any. As the single one, I felt the responsibility of faithfulness fell on her, the married one. I realize now this logic was flawed, but at the time, I honestly did not care. Plus, I failed to fully account for the effect my actions may have on others.
With age, I have begun to wonder how I would react if the circumstances were reversed. If my wife cheated on me, would I want to know? I’m not sure.
The obvious exception is if we are only in a committed a relationship. For example, if my girlfriend cheated on me, I would want to know. This would give me an opportunity to assess whether I want to continue in a relationship with her when she has already demonstrated that she may be unable to remain faithful. On the other hand, the more strongly defined bond of marriage would cause me to hesitate ending the relationship.
I don’t trust many people. In fact, I have Trust No One tattooed on my chest as a constant reminder to myself and others of this fact. Furthermore, I am not a very forgiving person. If my wife ever cheated on me, I’m not sure I could bring myself to forgive her. I cannot see us moving beyond that failure in our relationship; at least I would not.
Knowing this about myself, I figure it best my wife not tell me. This is not to say I give my wife permission to cheat but if she does, ignorance is bliss. Conceptually, I recognize we are human. At times, we grow weak. I can understand that between the period of “I do” and “until death do us part”, my wife will be tempted to stray. Nevertheless, saying “I do” meant she made the decision and commitment to resist such temptation, by any means necessary.
With that said, if infidelity occurs and it is a onetime fling, I don’t think I would want to know. The reasons for her cheating are her problems to resolve. Should she feel she cannot or that she will cheat again, feel free to confess. Realize though, doing so will effectively end our marriage as far as I’m concerned. It is one thing to try and prevent yourself from cheating by working through a critical relationship issue together. It is another to seek forgiveness after you have already committed adultery.
I find that many people apologize with the expectation they will be forgiven or they confess in order to relieve their own guilt. This is selfish and practically as bad as the act of cheating itself. For starters, rather than come to me to work out the problem(s), you sought resolution outside of the marriage. Worse, when the guilt became too much, then and only then did you decide to offload some of it on me – in the form of a so called confession – in an effort to make yourself feel better. Additionally, now you want my forgiveness for your wrong doing?
It is possible I will forgive and forget…but I doubt it.
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So readers, if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other? If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know? Is the act of physically cheating the only form you are interested in? What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally? Mentally? Lastly, if you cheat on someone, do they have the right to know?
I'm not going to delve too personally on this but I've been on a few different side of the cheating game. Personally, I'm not a cheater so confessing isn't going to be an issue for me. If the temptation was that intense I think that's a symptom of a bigger issue in the relationship, and I'd end it properly rather than cheat.
On the flip side, if my GF/Wife/Situationship were to cheat and then confess, I would be able to forgive, but I would never forget. And as such, the relationship would have to end. Sounds harsh, but that's how I operate. If I can't trust you, then I don't need you. You'll be missed, but you're still dismissed. #Next
And finally, if I were to cheat on someone I do believe they have the right to know. By not telling, I'm effectively making a choice for them, and that's not right. However, I do feel that if the party who's cheated on agrees to stay with the cheater, they then lose all rights to continually bring that back up. You agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed the contract extension to stay on the team (but this may be a topic for another discussion.)
"You’ll be missed, but you’re still dismissed."
nice1…
"By not telling, I’m effectively making a choice for them, and that’s not right."
YES!!!!!!!
@TWIsM: "And finally, if I were to cheat on someone I do believe they have the right to know. By not telling, I’m effectively making a choice for them, and that’s not right. However, I do feel that if the party who’s cheated on agrees to stay with the cheater, they then lose all rights to continually bring that back up. You agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed the contract extension to stay on the team (but this may be a topic for another discussion.)"
That's a great point. If you expect a confession and decide not to leave, I do believe you relinquish all rights to bring it up again and again UNLESS it is to better the relationship and not to belittle – which is rare.
"If I can’t trust you, then I don’t need you."<——THIS RIGHT HERE!!!
Amen!!!
Last paragraph
That is some powerful shit right there.
If I were married I would want to know. If there's a problem in the marriage and you found the solution in someone else I need to know if it’s worth my time to even fix the problem and our relationship. It’s not like she cheated once she had a 6 month long affair and finally started to feel guilty. Please, If I was married for 10 years and found out my husband was cheating I would leave and the only sorry he could give me is the house and child support.
People are selfish you cheat because you are selfish, if your bold enough (man or woman) to share your body with someone outside the marriage before coming to your significant other to try and fix the problem, then a relationship isn’t what you need to be in. I’m harsh I will hold my man down through a lot but cheating isn’t it. If you cheat once you will cheat on me again and front like you’re sorry. You’re not sorry you just feel bad or scared it’s going to catch up with you. If you know you’re not supposed to be doing something and keep doing it then you just don’t care.
For people who say “I don’t want to know”, how will not knowing help solve the problem if you want to stay with the person. They still going to cheat because what you’re not doing the other person is?
"Please, If I was married for 10 years and found out my husband was cheating I would leave and the only sorry he could give me is the house and child support."
Wellllllllll. *church voice*
smhl
You do not understand shit about men therefore you chances of successful relationship is zero to none. Big difference between men and women, is that there doen't necessarily have to be a problem for them to cheat. Second you need to forgive whoever hurt you and through that bitter attitude away.
@TWIsM I wholeheartedly agree about not bring that ish up after the fact. If you gon keep talking about it you might as well leave and do both parties a favor. I swear ppl scared to breakup on decent terms nowadays or something. Can't leave until they've abused and angered each other to the point of court hearings murder plots.
If I look at you and want to kick your teeth in or cave your chest in w an iron theeeeeen i'm thinking we at least need a "break" lol Not tryin to end up on Snapped cause I couldn't just let it go! Chuckin up the dueces is one of my favorite hobbies anyway! 🙂
You are one of the few people who make any kind of sense on this sight and I applaud you.
"they confess in order to relieve their own guilt"
This is #nobueno we are of the same mind on this. If you cheat, and I don't catch you or confront you with suspicions, do not, DO NOT try to assuage your guilt by confessing.
Definitely a sh*t starter.. I'll go personal… Cause I really believe that this should be case specific…
I am #TeamDoubleStandard… Men can cheat, but women can't… Because men (in general), rarely cheat because something is wrong with the relationship… And if once women understand that, they won't worry as much, and ironically, infidelity will decrease, because that woman will be secure in her position as a wife… #MovinOn
Once I find out a woman has cheating within the confines of a relationship… it's over… Just like yesterday with Stacy… I am looking for a reason to find your replacement… & infidelity is a good enough reason… (so ladies, if you are going to deceive me, don't be like Wiz friend & wear guilt on your face, I will pick it up…)
Do I have a right to know… Nope , but do I want to know, Absolutely … The quicker I go through the pain of knowing that another man was in my girl's womb, the quicker I can move on…
Assuming that I promised monogamy, and broke that contract, my girl has a right to know, and I have to no problem telling <DEL>(as long as she doesn't chop up my wang & dispose of it) </DEL>
But I rather tell a girl that she is my main girl, & not my only girl… This way, I can give pleasure you other women without the Lifetime Movie drama…
I love how Wisdom throws out some controversy & then runs to his fortified bunker…
#ISeeYou…
Adonis what is wrong with you? Your double standard is wack, and its not even one that is accepted by society, you just made that ish up! … everything else you said is your prerogative but you sound like a man scorned…..whoever did you wrong effed you all thee way up homey!
Morning @Kriola
LOL… you have the freedom to travel <DEL> & build up your body count </DEL>… I have the freedom of helping women out with the man shortage… This has nothing to do with hurt… I am making society better…
I thought about that the kind of relationship I can demand, and as long as there are willing women… An f**k will not given on what society thinks or finds acceptable…
Adonis says whatever will get him some attention, LET HIM BE.
I think we all see what happens to cheating men, loss of money, your kids being yanked from you and such, and even if the woman stay, he more likely will leave her for another one that will put him through hell, and if none of the above happens he will end up alone and miserable, since age catches up to you and no young woman is going to waste her time, on a man that needs a 30 minutes head start before sex, men like Adonis turn 50 and are miserable as HELL
@Laila
Adonis says whatever will get him some attention, LET HIM BE.
Although what I say, is overwhelmingly TRUE… I do pack a verbal punch
I think we all see what happens to cheating men, loss of money, your kids being yanked from you and such, and even if the woman stay, he more likely will leave her for another one that will put him through hell, and if none of the above happens he will end up alone and miserable, since age catches up to you and no young woman is going to waste her time, on a man that needs a 30 minutes head start before sex, men like Adonis turn 50 and are miserable as HELL
Momma there goes that hamster!, 50 year old men dating & marriage wise DO WAY BETTER than 50 year old women, AND IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE… I will be rooting my misery too, or lack there of…
Goodnight Sweetheart
BTW, I actually cheated when I was like 14, I cheated on a dark skin love for a big boned puerto-rican mami with a bad reputation (she s.ucked alot of d*ck in her formative years…)
I never got forgiven for that transgression… Oh well…
"Men can cheat, but women can’t"
Co-sign.
I am #TeamDoubleStandard… Men can cheat, but women can’t…
*LeSigh*
And this is exactly why women who cheat fly under the radar therefore going undetected for longer periods of time.
hmph, thats why b!tches go Lorena Bobbitt on a n!gga. Good luck with that "i can cheat but you can't" bullskit fellas!
Shhh girl!
Keep believing those COMOS surveys. You are only making it easier for a goon.
We are so psychotic, we will actually manipulated the media to get you to believe that, making it seem like we are clumsy and easy to catch.
At the end of the day, bad boys move in silence.
"At the end of the day, bad boys move in silence."
Listening to you, Cheekz, I'd never get married again…or agree to a committed relationship again.
Maybe I need to tatoo "trust no one" on my chest… SMH!
Cynical don't give up on Love….Not every man is a manwhore…..
Just keep the faith and pray for God to bless you with the man you need, not so much what you want.
If you get the man you need no matter how avg he looks or if he's overweight or doesn't drive or is a garbage man or a truck driver or postal worker or whatever….that man will possibly be the man who is faithful, loyal, and true.
So keep the faith and don't be so cynical…be more optimistic….*smile*
Exactly! most men like that are always getting messed around on and THEY HAVE NO IDEA, it's hilarious one of my ex girlfriends (i don't like cheaters even if i don't date them),she gets foreign penis every week end, and her man cheats on her too and he thinks he got her in check , LOL she just left him for some white boy with money, his ass is hurt LIKE HELL hilarious.
sounds like the perfect couple LOL but its all about opportunity and your girl is just like her ex-man and do women who cheat change for the better or worse becuase do they keep what the man they wanted when they get’em.
Well, I’m glad to see this finally. I’ve been telling people for years, men (mostly, although more and more women also these days) spend so much of their time, energy and emotions trying to juggle the main relationship along with the side relationships while not getting caught. This is why they hardly ever notice when their woman is doing her own little thing on the side. They are way too busy to notice, or so concentrated on watching what they do and watching to make sure she doesn’t catch on, they don’t notice shit.
Now, if you can’t be monogomous, don’t say you can or will. I think you should be honest and say what it is and give the woman or man the option to stick or move. However, Adonis ain’t lying when he says that it is what it is. Hello??? If there’s so much cheating going on, it’s because there are plenty of willing parties. And that, I didn’t know he was married bullshit. We know. We almost always know unless the wife is just so free with her husband that he’s allowed to spend nights out, spend cash freely, etc. There’s a behavior that tells you you’re getting leftovers. If you don’t know, it’s because you don’t want to, you’re just not bright or his wife has him on the longest leash in existence.
Is it wrong? Morally, yes. Would I want it done to me? Hell no. But like he said, as long as they are willing, it’s never going to stop. It is what it is. So, find your spizzot and make the most of it. I definitely do me, but I’m much better at it than any man I’ve ever met. My ex actually swore on his life, his child’s life, that I would never cheat. LMAO. If you put a gun to his head, he’d go down swearing I was faithful. I left because I was tired of cheating because I knew he was, too. You just have to decide what you can live with and stop worrying about everyone else. Only you have to live with you.
"Men can cheat, but women can’t… Because men (in general), rarely cheat because something is wrong with the relationship… "
This right here makes NO DAMN SENSE. It's okay to cheat when nothing's wrong, but not okay when something is wrong? So your wife can be great (nobody's perfect) – take care of home, make you feel like the man, drop the panties whenever you want, be supportive, etc., etc – but it's okay for you to cheat on her for no reason other than you're curious about the fat ass around the corner?! Conversely, you can be unappreciative, show her little affectionate or attention, stay out late, etc & if she cheats, there's something wrong with that?! Please explain.
b/c in sample A: Cheating is merely physical and goon behavior. It is less likely to come back and hurt anyone and @$$ no matter how good can get old. So a goon needs to switch it up. Like a hair cut.
B: The relationship is broken and you are using the cheating as some B.S. excuse to fill a void that never works. To be honest, you are foolishly wh0ring yourself to another man, letting him take advantage of yoru desperate attempt to "find something."
I feel you on B, but A is still not okay. And why does the woman have to be whoring & the man isn't?
B/c we know the attitude of the 'other man'
he doesn't respect.
I think we ALL know cheating is wrong, because it is. I think what @Adonis and @Nicholas Minaj (smh at that name) are saying is that MEN can USUALLY cheat without becoming emotionally involved with another woman. Women on the other hand USUALLY become emotionally involved with men they cheat with (or men they have xes with period). Again, cheating bad. But between men and women, men TEND to be the ones that can cheat without having any kind of significant emotional investment.
This is evident in far more interactions than xes but I'm going to stay on topic and end this sentence here…
FTR, I am not co-signing that men can cheat and women cant. Either both can "cheat" (open marriage) or both have to remain faithful. That's my stance.
That whole last paragraph is the truth!!
Um.. that's what I was about to type out, word for word. I don't know whether to thank you for sparing me the trouble, or to shake my fist at you. I'll opt for the latter since I had to type alla this right here.
That's a rough question. I always ask for honesty in relationships…and I give it. Then again that's a big reason I don't cheat. If I did I would confess, so even if tempted I'm not foolish enough to take that chance (I used to watch Cheaters dammit lol) I would rather my man confess to me than for me to find out. At least w the confession I can believe maybe you're really sorry and you have enough respect to not look me in face and live that lie. (ummm to state the obvious I rather it not happen at all!!)
If it was my husband I would still want him to tell me. God forbid I find out in annnny way other than him confessing to me….and soon as possible. I've been in both positions. Had a bf who got busted..(my friend spotted him w the other girl) He came over and I politely told him get his ish and I'd be ok never seeing him again. The other time the bf called me soon as he woke up…told me he felt like ish and even tho he know he prob ruined everything he didn't want to lie. (got drunk at a party and smashed a random runabout) He and I are still close (not together but close and the official breakup wasn't because of that) simply because even tho he effed up, he man'd up and showed me the respect of not coming and slipping me some ole DIRTY DOUGIE like nothing happened!! Funny enough his confession to me is one of the reasons I still hold him in high regard. I want your honesty more than I want your lying version of love…. Giving me the truth and letting me make my choice (IMO) is a sign of respect at the bare minimum, vs a selfish mofo who will lie to the bloody death for their OWN gain.
"The other time the bf called me soon as he woke up…told me he felt like ish and even tho he know he prob ruined everything he didn’t want to lie. (got drunk at a party and smashed a random runabout) He and I are still close (not together but close and the official breakup wasn’t because of that) simply because even tho he effed up, he man’d up and showed me the respect of not coming and slipping me some ole DIRTY DOUGIE like nothing happened!! Funny enough his confession to me is one of the reasons I still hold him in high regard."
Bingo! I'm with you on this. Tell me the truth without me prompting and even if I didn't want to know, I'll always respect you. There's nothing worse than someone cheating on you and you find out that they lied to you for 6 month in an effort to cover it up. Been there before. The guy and I are cordial… but we could never be friends. I lost any and all trust I had in him. He would have been better up if he would have put his big boy pants on and told me the truth…
I don't think that I could ever cheat and not completely spill my guts afterwards. I think the guilt would kill me. It has to be hard keeping a secret like that for so long…
So readers, if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught
should you still confess to your significant other?
— I've never cheated. ..It would be hard for me to continue on with the relationship, if I didn't confess. I would confess, and if I was with a person who would probably not forgive me, I would take the loss and try to move on the best I could. Of course that is easier said than done..and I am probably only saying this because it is what I would hope that a person who may have cheated on me, would confess.
If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know?
–YES I would. I would want you to respect our relationship to be honest and tell me. Give me the choice to decide on whether or not our relationship can withstand this. AND please tell me so that I can make steps to get us both checked out physically. PLEASE.
Is the act of physically cheating the only form you are interested in? What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally? Mentally?
— I would be interested in both. However, stepping out mentally and emotionally would be tricky with me because I am one of those who believe that men and women can be friends. I have a best friend who is a male, and I am VERY careful about how I interact with him, given the fact that he is married. I don't call him late at night. (and luckily I don't live in the same city so I am not tempted) I would not hang out with him socially alone (just me and my friend)v with out his wife's knowledge. I would not begrudge my husband a friendship with a woman, however there are certain things that cross the line that I would be wary of and I would hope that boundaries wouldn't be crossed. If they were, I would like to know about it and why. :/
Lastly, if you cheat on someone, do they have the right to know?
–YES. ..for the same reason I stated before. Give them the respect and dignity to allow them to decide how to deal with it. There is nothing worse than being made to feel like you are a fool. Why would you do that to someone you say you care about?
So readers, if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other?
Yes, you should. I know that people say 100% honesty is not good for any relationship, and this will likely negatively affect (if not destroy) it, but I stand by my answer.
If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know?
Yes. I'm sure it would be easier to live in blissful ignorance, but this is not something I would want to be withheld from me.
Is the act of physically cheating the only form you are interested in? What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally? Mentally?
No. A lot of the intimacies I enjoy lie outside the realm of sex, so I would want to know if my partner developed or is in the process of developing an emotional and/or mental bond of a romantic nature with someone else.
Lastly, if you cheat on someone, do they have the right to know?
Yes, they do. I sincerely hope that my integrity would push me to tell the truth, although the greater hope is for it to prevent me from even being in that position to begin with. It's always easier to type and say the right things when one is far removed from such situations.
"It's always easier to type and say the right things when one is far removed from such situations".
YOU DAM RIGHT IT IS !!!!
Man… this is a tough one. The semi control freakish side of me says I that I WOULD want to know. Especially if the person that he cheats with is someone that I frequently see. It would PISS me off to find out later that I was being all cordial and stuff with the "other" woman and was never aware of what was going on.
The more vulnerable side of me says that maybe I wouldn't want to know. As long as it never came up, what I don't know won't hurt me. However, the thing is… that I'm pretty certain that if a guy that I'm with is cheating me… that my intuition will kick in and I'll be somewhat suspicious that something is going on. I know for me personally, at the point of suspicion, I'm asking a LOT of questions in order to get some peace of mind about the situation. So… if I'm ASKING you if you're cheating, you lie to my face and then the truth comes out later…then I WOULD have a real problem with that.
So… I guess if you could pull it off to where I have no suspicions, then maybe what I don't know won't hurt me. But I just don't see that situation happening very often, to be honest. I think women cheat on men without being caught way more often than the other way around. I really don't know too many women who had been cheated on and didn't at least expect that something was going on…
Semi-control freak is similar to the word "irregardless", drop the prefix, the word means the same thing.
wow…
wow. way to discount everything that was said just to pick up on the use of a word you disagree with.
ok I actually thought about it a little more, there are only a few scenarios where I would want to know
1) if you were planning on leaving me for her because at that point the marriage is over and that would give me some leverage to get more child support/alimony from you.
2) if there was a big chance that I would find out anyway and it would be in an embarrassing fashion, like in public or in front of a lot of family/friends. I'm not gonna be looking like a fool so you better let me know ahead of time so we can maybe work it out before shit hits the fan
3) If I ask you, I mostly likely wouldn't ask unless I already had surmounting evidence so at that point its better to not lie to my face
4) If you are a sex addict or something because then we have other problems to work out…..
But if it was some random chick in the Dominican or something like that and no one is ever gonna find out then I don't wanna know just don't bring back any diseases and don't do it again.
I was with you all the way up until
"But if it was some random chick in the Dominican or something like that and no one is ever gonna find out then I don’t wanna know just don’t bring back any diseases and don’t do it again."
would you be down for an open relationship ? , cause trust If a man knows he can have some one night stand vacation sex, trust it’s going to happen more than once even if you say, don’t do it again
well I would deal with it kinda how I plan on dealing with my kids, you tell them don't ever smoke weed or drive drunk or have sex without a condom etc. and while you know that there is a chance that it may happen, you make it seem like it will never be okay but if they do it and you don't find out and nothing bad happens and they don't do it again….well ignorance is bliss.
"cause trust If a man knows he can have some one night stand vacation sex, trust it’s going to happen more than once even if you say, don’t do it again"
This line is complete and utter feminist B.S. Totally untrue. A whole sale lie. Old wives' tales. Blanket statements = fail
CHeeKZy, my CHeeKZy, I am not fan of blanket statements but I have to say I mostly agree with this one. The majority of men (and a large chunk of women) that cheat that one time and get away with be a lot more likely to do it again.
SaneN
I miss you.
Awww, I miss you too!!! Still, you were never around when I was here daily, and then you come back when I can't be on here as much. Clearly, you're avoiding me, Mr. 😛
1) if you were planning on leaving me for her because at that point the marriage is over and that would give me some leverage to get more child support/alimony from you.
Why do women feel like when men cheat, they deserve more money… or ANY money for that matter…? This question needs an answer…
Talk about decency & character… Something that women demand from men, but never demand in themselves…
Kriola, I hope marriage never finds you, or women who think like you… And I am dead serious… I hope guys see you nothing more than a cheap fling…
My brothers, steer clear of that altar , it has outlived its usefulness in 2011
but cheating is indicative of decency and character?
@Lady Ngo
No… I don't believe in "cheating"…
I believe that men should be allowed to sample foreign coochie outside of their marriage… And being that he runs the marriage, he needs no permission from his wife… But his should know about… I should have made that more clear… No reason for a man to keep that a secret from his wife… Especially when she gets older, and the man desires a young hottie…
Most men don't know or believe that they can set up polyamorous relationships…
"My brothers, steer clear of that altar, it has outlived its usefulness in 2011"
That article RUPTURED my dome … I'm scared
@Top 5 DOA
That is not even the worst of thing that can happen to a man, as you already know
Adonis women try to get a mans money when he cheats and/or leaves them because in cheating and/or leaving that woman you have hurt her and broke her heart.
As humans we are very vengeful and seek revenge when we feel someone has wronged us.
So women try to hurt a mans pockets because they feel thats the best and deepest way for the man to feel something remotely close to the hurt and pain that they are feeling….
It's done to make the man suffer.
I agree it's dead wrong….but thats one main reason why.
I don't think its wrong at all! When you get married you have signed a contract and based on the way I was raised that means my main job is to take care of the house my husband and our kids and your main job is to take care of the money, your wife(me) and our kids and we both agree not to step outside of the marriage. When you have a drawn out affair you have broken the contract and you have most likely taken away time from raising your children and your wife so that you could be with the side chick. Assuming I'm still holding up my end of the deal you owe me for my work and time, best believe I will be getting that back! All that extra money that you had to spend on that chick could have been saved for our children or gone to charity or something, so I will do everything in my power to get that ish back!!
For me this only applies to drawn out affairs, one or two indiscretions would not be dealt with so harshly
@ Kriola.
I approve this statement 1,000 times.
Sorry BooBoo you not just gonna waltz up in here and get a free ride piggbacking off the lifestyle I sacrificed and helped build during marriage. You want him — you two start from SCRATCH.. #thatisall
If you think all his "Revenge Tax" is a load of cr2p
Holla we want Pre-Nup!
If the marriage breaks up than so does the free ride ho3. You break up with me, you break up with my money. Homey don't play that. Why would you want the money of a ninja that doesn't even love you. That makes you are tramp.
Kriola imo the only thing the man should be obligated to pay is child support in the responsibility of caring for his seeds.
The child support should be fairly agreed upon….A lot of women take advantage of their advantage in the system and use and abuse it for themselves…..not the kids.
Once your divorced neither party should be under any obligation to financially support the other…..period….it's done, over, a wrap, finnis……we are all grown not kids…if you need a man to financially support you like a child thats not a good look.
Also times and people have changed since our grandparents and great grandparents time.
Women have every opportunity and the potential to make more than men…… women who want to kill a mans pockets do this out of vengefulness and greed….lets keep it 100 shall we…
@WIM I mean all you have to do is not have an affair and you will never see that side of me, I'm not as crazy or as golddiggerish as I'm making myself sound. I feel like other issues we might be able to work out and such drastic measures need not be taken.
Sadly, I actually think I understand @Adonis point. I'm not sure there should be (although the Courts do apply this logic) there should be a strong correlation between how much child support/alimony a man (or woman) ows because they cheated. Actually, I dont think there should be any correlation at all. If a partner cheated, and the marriage ends as a result, that's fine.
Should they be "taxed" at a higher rate based on the reason for the end of the marriage? I'm not so sure. Of course, like insurance claims, they do assess the party at fault a higher amount. I'm not sure marriage should be viewed in the same plane though. That's probably why marriages are being viewed more and more as institutions. More legal agreements than agreements between two loved ones to honor and abide.
But thats the whole point of marriage, If it was just about love then we could just live together. I want to marry you because I want to actually be legally bound to you, so that we both think twice about just bouncing when things aren't going well. Marriage is more than love, it means that you are willing to work to make the relationship work, that you have to have some real reason to spend all of the time and money that it costs to end it.
Marriage is like a pinky promise, you can't just pinky promise me that you will cherish me forever and then go across the playground and kiss some other chick! Its sacred and when you breach that contract in a way that disrespects me there will be hell to pay.
Wisdom I agree witht he fella's….I think that correlation is unfair and it really doesn't solve anything long term.
Once a man has cheated on a woman he can't go back and undo it…..making him pay exhorbitant amnts of child support doesn't erase the cheating….it's a false sense of victory that makes the woman feel somewhat better but again it doesn't change a damn thing.
And it's bs because the woman really wants to be with the man (not the money). Her getting money from the guy is a punishment. But since she can't have the man then she punishes him like she feels he punishes her.
@ BreeBree
And it’s bs because the woman really wants to be with the man (not the money). Her getting money from the guy is a punishment. But since she can’t have the man then she punishes him like she feels he punishes her.
I'm sorry but I can't cosign this.
It's not about being scorned or vengeful.. You are married to someone for a certain amount of time you sacrified and put in your blood sweat and tears along side him to obtain the lifestyle you have today and the marriage ends due to infidelity, I am supposed to just walk away empty handed?? WTDTA??? Its was a partnership and it was severed so now the assets NEED TO BE SPLIT.
@Kriola.
I know hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and while I agree with most of what you said, the "legally binding" part is the least – if it's even on the list – of reasons why I would want to get married. Although in my case, the reason I would get married is for my wife. I could really care less about the title or need to get married but if I want to be with a woman and she requires that of me, I would be perfectly willing to marry her. That legally binding and "hell to pay" statement is why a number of men shy away from marriage for so long or all together.
I don't understand? What exactly did you sacrifice that I have to give you duckets?
You had kids, those were gifts of my sea man to you. Plus you are still able to keep your job despite them. Being a wife doesn't mean being a slave. An to be honest, you ho3s ain't really helping a man 'gain' anything.
If I make it successfully in banking, it will be b/c of the hours I put in here at the office
or posting comments on SBM. Not b/c of my wife. You really think her meals were the secret to earing seven figures? Or her ability to iron clothes? Be real… you have two options if you want to keep the life style, either get a job or keep them bl0wjobs coming.I say again WE WANT PRE-NUP!
@Nicholas Minaj… *smh*
"I don’t understand? What exactly did you sacrifice that I have to give you duckets?"
As your wife she may have sacrified to help you get to where you are today in the corporate/business world — taking on an extra job so you can get that degree to pursue your dreams or she deferred her dream to help you build yours, etc. can be a number of things, basically all I saying if she was there before you really GOT ON (careerwise) she took care of home and raised ya'll mini bad-assed nik minaj's and now you go and creep, she should not walk away empty handed or with pocket change.
"WE WANT PRE-NUP!" yeah that's cool – fine and dandy cuz pre-nups are now being written up with an Infidelity Clause anyway.
Your #1
That's some real shyte for yo ass right there. Because that's how it usually works when being sued (Divorce) for infidelity.
fyi in most southern states (Texas definitely) when 1 spouse cheats the other spouse by default the other spouse gets half of the money and all assets.
The ladies who think they are "entitled" to money for everything they've done within their marriage to a man should he cheat and you divorce let me pose a question.
Are you putting a price tag on your love and committment to that person? Are you putting a monetary value on cooking, cleaning, taking care of the house, taking care of the kids, and loving and supporting your man….????
Ladies remember all throughout that marriage if your a house-wife then your not paying nair a damn bill the entire time of the marriage….your not bringing in any income or maybe not as much as your husband…..but your hair is done, your nails are done, your dressed nice, you shop and you eat, your bills are paid….and you think all that should continue after a man chooses to no longer be binded/married to you? Really?
If the tables were turned would you still feel the same?
If your man supported you and helped put you through school and paid all your bills, bought you a car, should he be entitled to his money back?
In the words of my man Jay-Z
"now what i look like giving a chick half my trap
like she wrote half my rap
yea, im havin that
you be the same chick
when you leave
leave the bankbook and the credit cards
and take everything you came wit"
Its a partnership. When the marriage began it was decided that the man would work and the woman would take care of home. If it were a business (JZ / Damon Dash) financies would be handled acordingly regardless of who rapped. Marriage is the same. If men feel so threatened then they should marry a woman that makes about the same amount so that then this isnt an issure. But guess what? Then they will be complaining about the missing home cooked meals and such lusting after the fixings that come with a house wife.
I like how guys get so offended because they assume they will be the money makers but let them come into a britney spears / federline situation and see if they dont want their share.
Kema, marriage is something like a business….the business part is the legality part of it that you have to go to court for…as well as making sure all the bills get paid.
At any rate, my opinion is this…regardless of man or woman everything should be evenly and fairly divided and u get what u came in with.
I don't think you being a good husband or a good wife entitles you to shit in the event of a divorce.
Why…..because your Supposed to be a good husband and/or wife……If you don't love a person enough to be good to them and be the best husband/wife that you can be whats the point of getting married.????
Yes its hurtful to get cheated on and lied to (been there done that) but does it change the fact that you loved that person before the cheating and the lies…..??? It shouldn't.
Especially in a marriage the love should be UNCONDITONAL…..meaning without conditions.
If your wanting material things in the event of a divorce then your love is conditional.
Also ladies let me let you in on what happens when men know you will bust their pockets open in the event of a divorce…..they stay with you and still cheat on you and do what they want to do until you actually force them out of your house and life.
I know this because I know many men who have done this. And to take it a step further when u continue to sleep with that man because "he is still your husband" you open yourself up to risking catching some std.
Again yes both parents should take care of the kids and whomever has the best health insurance should provide the coverage for the kids….
Even though i'm a woman I think spousal support for men or women is bullshit….you should be able to take care of yourself. In the event that you can't then maybe if you don't force the person to give you the money they will willingly help you out.
As for Brittany & Kevin….well Kevin actually worked for Brittany as her dancer and he was her manager or something….so he and Brittany had business together.
Like Anita Baker and her husband….yes he got money from her when they split but he was her manager….before she even married him. Now if he just took her money just as her husband seeking some type of "spousal support" type of deal then I don't think thats right.
Sorry ladies but I feel like fair is fair and right is right….I'm about whats morally right….not necessarily what feels right or what makes you feel good at that time.
@breebree
I am not talking about having a man financially supporting me, I plan on making my own, who said anything about being a house wife? But if we are going to "keep it 100" then what you said is BS, since when has a woman had the same workplace/salary opportunities as a man? what country do you live in cause here in the USofA women(esp. Balck women) are not making as much as their male counterparts.
Most men are able to make as much as they do and move up in the business world because women are working at work and at home to lay the foundation for a happy family, it would be much harder for a man to do it on his own and raise children, which is why single parents have it so hard. It is very rare and against our social constructs for a man to do equal work as the woman at home and with rearing children. I do place high value on house work and "motherly" duties and as long as my mate respects that and what I have to offer we have no problems.
The problem arises when men (it could be women too I guess but I'm speaking from my point of view) don't recognize my value and have an affair. To me that is defecating all over my hard work and dedication to making our family the best it can be and if that were to happen I would be pissed! Yes love should be unconditional but a marriage doesn't have to be. If you have an affair and disrespect all that I have done for the family then I will take back what I helped to earn! Call me a gold digger, tramp, heaux, b!tch whatever, I'll dry my eyes with your money! I know my worth and it is priceless but if you want to try me and disrespect me like that then I will sure as heck put a price tag on it for you!
Moral of the story, just don't have an affair and we good!
lol after my rant this song came to mind http://youtu.be/M0b7Mn3aj3A
Concerning #2: So the primary part of the offense is the embarrassment? I notice that seems to be a recurring theme in the women's comments (below and above). Does feeling embarrassed make it worse? So if a man cheats with discretion it's better?
Embarrassment is the primary part, it's more like adding insult to injury.
Oops, I meant isn't
yeah, it shows that you have 0% respect for me and it moves it from a private matter to a public matter. If you use discretion we can at least deal with it amongst ourselves and keep our business to ourselves.
Oh, and I also hate the confession or apology to assauge guilt. Some think the two are synonymous but I'm quite glad to let them know they are not.
If you confess because you believe I deserve the truth, then do so. Do not however, act like that means you're truly sorry you DID it and would not do the same thing if you were put back in that same spot.
Its usually easy to tell a confession and/or apology given more for their sake than yours. Dead giveaways include such lines as "you have to/ I need you to forgive me", "i just couldn't take it anymore / go another day w/o telling you" , "I had to get this off my chest" etc. All selfish statements. Anytime you come to me with phrases like that falling off your tongue, it's damn near a guarentee to be the last conversation I engage in with you. If you want absolution find a Catholic priest and let loose! (just don't take your son w you….ijs)
This is just me jumping in…
I would "Woman Up" and tell… By not telling you're leaving the door open for further problems…
Communication is Key.
"Whats done in the DARK will always come to LIGHT!"
Well, I've never cheated, so that's not a problem for me. And if I did see the need to do so, that's a problem on my end of the relationship and that needs to be addressed. Though if I was to actually do something as reprehensible as cheating, she would have the right to know, though I probably wouldn't like the outcome.
If she was to cheat on me, heck yeah I have the right to know, though it probably would be better for her to not be around when I find out. If she feels the need to cheat,she can feel free to not stick around.
@ Paul B,
Well said my brother… Same here for me… So many times I wished I had cheated. It would have made m feel better after I found that I was cheated on… Oh well, I guess you and I are the last of a dying breed…
If you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other?
Im not a cheater, I despise cheating in all its forms. But i guess if i have to put on my pretend hat, i'd say if it was a one time thing then i might not say anything. But if i had an affair, i don't think i'd even waste time trying to keep that a secret because something like that is bound to come to light sooner or later.
If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know?
Ugh, toughie. I would want to know just because that nigga has put us all at risk. STDs are real no matter how much protection you may or may not have used. Oh lord, heaven help you if you cheated and didn't even wrap it up. But part of me doesn't want to know because i'll never ever trust you ever again. Ever!
Is the act of physically cheating the only form you are interested in? What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally? Mentally?
Nope, all cheating whether it be having a one-night stand, having an affair, having an e-relationship, or whatever else are out of bounds for me. I know myself and if i find out any of that is going on, im gonna turn into the psycho who thinks every time your phone beeps, you log onto the internet or you leave the house its cuz you're effin with some next chick. I'd much rather not have to love through that kind of aggravation.
Lastly, if you cheat on someone, do they have the right to know?
I guess so. Everyone has the right to make informed decisions in life. But ignorance is bliss too and some would prefer not to know, especially if there aren't any tangible consequences of the cheating (i.e diseases, babies, crazy murderous side-pieces, etc)
I like the way you think, logical, sensible honesty, admirable in many ways. You get two thumbs up from me.
"I find that many people apologize with the expectation they will be forgiven or they confess in order to relieve their own guilt. This is selfish and practically as bad as the act of cheating itself."……this right here banged it home.
You have "Trust No One" tattooed on your chest??? You definitely need to see a therapist for that one.
Ok Judgy Mcjudge
It's not that serious. For one, I have about 20 tattoos. They all mean something to me as an individual and that's really all that matters. At this time, since it's off topic, I'm too lazy to delve into the motivation behind the tattoo but I do not regret it. As a side note, if or when I get married, if it's an issue for my wife – who's opinion is really all that truly matters – I am perfectly willing to get this particular tattoo covered up. Although, I would hope she would understand it was motivated by a period of my life that I went through. Most people who have tattoos (of significance rather than BS) understand what it means to have a tattoo to capture and signify a specific moment in your life.
In the mean time, I stand by every word of it.
To me- being silent is the worst part of the cheating. I participate in this relationship too and this I have the right to make informed decisions about my role in it. When you deny me full information you continue to disrespect me further. Maybe you couldn't help yourself to cheat on me but every time you said good morning or kissed my forehead you made the active choice to continue to lie and that's what stings. If you cheat I get the right to decide whether or not I want to be with you and I can't do that if I don't know what you did. I consider that more unforgivable than cheating. I hate liars.
So it stings that you don't know? Why is it about you not knowing that hurt so much? What is it about the lack knowing that causes you so much pain? How is, you never finding going to causing you any kind agony? I am just trying ti understand your logic, because honestly I believe everything you have to say is based on your pride and fair, and you know what they say, the thing you fair the most alway comes to be. Another thing is, yea without sin cast the first stone. I am sure you have lied before in your life, so for you to say "I hate liars" is unwarranted.
As you all know my ex-husband cheated…and so this topic is really sensitive to me. I will say this, cheating is destructive it can potentially destroy families and wreck households…all parties involved are equally responsible in my opinion. If you are knowingly, dealing with a married person then you share in the havoc that could potentially be wrought if someone finds out…I think, when a person cheats on another person, and the other person finds out, a tiny part of their self-esteem get's chipped away..because you are constantly asking yourself why? What did I do? What I have realized is that, it's not about YOU nine times out of ten..it's about the other person's selfishness and something else going on within them…..
The other part to this is the physical vs. the emotional cheating…the only cheating I would really be concerned with is the physical part…but, the emotional cheating may be just as destructive..but, I could forgive that quicker then I could the physical….
Do you tell? Well, my husband would be still cheating right now if the side-piece hadn't called my house…everything done in the dark will come to the light some type of way…so, even if you never say anything…it still may come out in the wash one day……I would recommend not saying anything, if you know it could destroy your family…the risk is too great..sometimes ignorance is bliss for a little while..but, if someone is habitually cheating…it's going to come out some kind of way….
Do you have the right to know? Yes, but that almost doesn't matter you have to look at the big picture too….what is at stake. What is the potential loss. You have to weigh that very carefully.
So you saying if you didn't know (even til this day) you would be ok with that?
Well, my husband was an habitual cheater…so, yes, I am glad I know now..but, had it have been just a one time thing….I may have preferred not knowing to be honest.
Oh ok..interesting…
I would have to agree with you Queen. Yesterday as I was running, I saw a husband leave quickly in his car after his wife and him were arguing. She was left in her driveway crying, and I thought to myself, would I ever cheat on my husband–what situation would cause for such betrayal. The most pressing thought, however, was would I stay?
I have yet to be married so I do not know, but I would like to think that I would stay if it was one time thing, but not so much if it were a relationship. When you're married, it's not just about self or the marriage, but the family and legacy.
If the planets aligned themselves and Boehner decided to become a Democrat while Google stock went down to $2 a share–simultaneously–I would like to think I would keep my mouth shut (especially if it was a one time thing). The guilt along would probably leave me a tortured soul for the rest of my life, but I couldn't inflict such pain on someone I loved. When I was 14, I kissed my best friend (heavy tomboy) on the lips and told my "boyfriend" because I felt guilty and thought he was owed the truth. 8 years later, I will never forget the look on his face, and how I wish I could take away his pain and take away my actions. Let's multiply that by a bazillion, and that's what you get when you cheat and you're married. Unfortunately, life isn't homework and there are no "do-overs"
I believe monogamy exists when discipline and trust is second nature. I'm concerned with cheating on all levels, but physical is most important. I pray constantly that if I am to settle down, that my marriage be a blessed one- that we stay true to each other. Marriage is a big deal to me–my mother has been praying for my husband since birth. I truly hope that whomever I am to marry, we are so in-tuned and open with each other that all desires can be fulfilled throughout our marriage- I pray that our love is always true regardless of past behaviors-
Definitely thinking this morning-
When I was 14, I kissed my best friend (heavy tomboy) on the lips and told my “boyfriend” because I felt guilty and thought he was owed the truth
For Clarification:
The best friend was a girl, right? or were you the tom boy?
I was a tomboy and was growing into becoming a laaaaaaaaaaadddy (sorry that wasn't clear). My best friend back then was a guy who I ran track with and who used to sneak over to play video games (PS1 and the Sims)…yea, I'm young 🙂
That kind of testimony might make a man think twice.
*walks up to podium, takes a sip of water*
if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other?
Luckily theres no thumbs down, because in all honestly i wouldn't. Should I? Of course. I should because she deserves to know, if she's faithful in a relationship she expects the same from me. I wouldn't because I feel there are better ways to relieve my guilt. I value my relationship more than some quick nut, and i'm not going to ruin it. (Sidebar: I noticed a lot more women are taking the L in regards to cheating; wonder why?) She will leave or if she stays i will have lost trust, which is almost just as bad as her leaving. If you feeling extra guilty, take her on a trip, buy her gifts just because, be a better man you were before you even cheated.
If she cheated on me, then i can't forgive her. As I said with myself, trust issues and doubts kill relationships, once she opened that door it can never be closed. With women, i think its much worse because when they cheat its usually more than just sex (i have been the other man, every time she wanted to get serious) not only that you factor in paternity questions, u dont know where that other ninja been, woman infidelity just gets so much deeper.
Ultimately, everyone who is being cheated on has the RIGHT to know. What they do with what they now know is also ultimately up to them.
Women always carry a heavier burden when we cheat. It's crazy because I feel depending on the situation a woman will stay with her husband if he cheated on her once and received counseling and doesn’t do it again. It's like a woman can’t fell in the fidelity department.
I can forgive my man but I won’t forget and that would kill the relationship. I know people talk about you have to be realistic and “you can’t fulfill all your partner needs” the whole 80/20 rule but I feel like that 20 is what we do for each other as a couple as the “we” in our relationship. I just feel like if you have enough balls and courage to step out on me instead of stepping to my face and discussing the issue you have with me, then the least you could do is tell me so I can make my own decision.
But there is not always an issue to discuss. Sometimes it's just a quick nut.
AMEN !!!!!!
This is a very touchy subject. I've been cheated on before. He didn't tell me, I found out b/c of other women telling. He tried to deny everything. I ended the relationship, b/c I couldn't trust him anymore. When cheat and lie it says something about a person's character.
@ Adonis, u stated "I believe that men should be allowed to sample foreign coochie outside of their marriage… And being that he runs the marriage, he needs no permission from his wife."
Why do u feel this way? And what about marriage vows that were taken?
@Sash82
GOD bless you sweetheart, you asked questions first, if women took after you, they would go FAR in life… I promise…
I used to believe in keeping vows & the sweet swag, that is marriage… But then I got exposed to reality…
I think men should not get married & sample, sample, sample, until he kicks the bucket… But alot of men get in marriage not thinking about how there lives change in 50 years…
1. Women love attractive men, men that other women want… That naturally gives him options… If women are checking for men who are unattractive, and THEN he cheats, then I understand… But women like socially dominant men, & respect the what goes with that…
2. Projection… Women think & feel that men think & feel like them… That is why women internalizing cheating by a man as the ultimate form of treason…
But if women knew that men separate love & se.x far better than women ever will… women would say "That h*e ain't shit" Men don't fall in & out of love through se.x…
But the man should use protection, that goes without saying…
I Think monogamy is a pipe-dream…
Enjoy
God bless you and all that you stand for, you are truly a man of integrity and honor, I solute you.
What I dont get is why do women accept and forgive men for cheating? Most of the men I know dont play that ish, unless they're cheating as well…Is it really that hard to find a man out there?
I believe thats part of it, nowadays women are on some "im not gonna let lust ruin love" ish
nowadays?
Nah… Our mothers / grand mothers / great-grand mothers were on the same ish. They were not going to let some hussy mess up what they had. lol!
Right but where's the logic in that??? I was listening to Jill Scott's "getting in the way" song the other day…and it makes no sense to me…You cheat on me and its ok?? who ok's this type of logic??
@SD You are in my head! Thats the exact song I was thinking of lol!
Who knows maybe one day I will experience that kind of love but today I'm gonna have to say nay-no
@Herbetteroption: I get the impression most women expect men to cheat and are pleasantly surprised, if not outright amazed, when one does not. Now by "expect" I dont mean they co-sign cheating men. I am saying they seem not to be shocked by unfaithful men. Not sure if this is a result of double standards or what. I think both men AND women are more suprised by unfaithful women than unfaithful men.
To be honest, it's not too hard to see why. Whenever I see women standing up for specific men and saying that they have upstanding characters and are not of the cheating variety, there is always at least a handful of men scoffing and trying to make them look silly. It's kind of bad when we get ridiculed for having faith in you, so eventually, a lot of women internalize the "fact" that most men will be unfaithful.
@Herbetteroption & @Kema: You know that's so funny because I have heard many of my friends say the same statement. When they tell me "I'm not gonna let lust ruin love" all I can do is think of how this position has been passed on from woman to woman..from generation to generation..so much for the Women's Liberation Movement LOL …and still most women can't even seem to liberate themselves emotionally…keep subscribing to the same close minded ideal of what a "good woman" is…keep being that "strong" women that endures everything to keep her family in tact..and all the while they're miserable inside..martyrs. So I don't know…all the while, while they're "not letting lust ruin love" they're ruining themselves, settling really..I guess because ultimately they'd rather have "love" at all costs than to stand tall alone. So it's like cool..more power to ya ladies…keep on fighting the good fight LMAO..stick it out..work it out regardless of how much it hurts u, undermines your intelligence, etc, etc…the list goes on. Men typically know their worth..most women have a lot of catching up to do.
"…keep subscribing to the same close minded ideal of what a “good woman” is…keep being that “strong” women that endures everything to keep her family in tact..and all the while they’re miserable inside..martyrs. So I don’t know…all the while, while they’re “not letting lust ruin love” they’re ruining themselves, settling really..I guess because ultimately they’d rather have “love” at all costs than to stand tall alone."
YES!!! OMG! My grandmother did this (still married, btw). And, when I talked to her after my seperation, she told me not to do what she did. "You're still young with your whole life ahead of you, baby. Don't settle if you know this man can't be trusted." My grandfather was offended by her comments cause I think it told him how she ultimately felt about her choice to stay with him. I took Grandma's advice…got completely out of dodge.
@cynicaloptimist81: Yeah it's weird..I believe my grandmother went through something similar as well..LOL and you think sometimes to yourself, "Well perhaps those were just 'the times' that they were living in"…Nah those WERE not the times…they ARE the times..a lot has change but the core expectations are still pretty much the same…and some women just continue to follow suit..teaching their daughters what their mothers and grandmothers taught them in terms of the "ideal"…it's like some kind of feminine mantra idk LOL..but mantras are spoken in repetition to evoke transformation but it seems that a lot of us still fall into the same types of emotional traps…and most of the time the traps are in plain view. But all wise men are former fools and the important thing is to learn from your mistakes and find a way to convert pain into personal strength…but yeah never settle (and it's not the same thing as never being satisfied).
Love doesn't pay the bills and it isn't all that's required to sustain a marriage. The perception is the issue, not the verb…
So readers, if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other?
I would say no, be a Spartan and carry your indiscretion to the grave. Live with your guilt and try not to make the same mistake twice. If you feel you are going to be a repeat offender, maybe the marraige isn't for you.
If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know?
Not really, but men are terrible liars so it's pretty easy to tell.
Is the act of physically cheating the only form you are interested in? What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally? Mentally?
I think emotional/mental cheating is a lot deeper than physical cheating. If my man has to seek another woman out emotionally then I'm really doing something wrong. Time to go.
Lastly, if you cheat on someone, do they have the right to know?
I'm sure the think they have the right to know…but that's just Lifetime TV talking. You don't have any rights over me, sorry buddy.
We are >>>here<<<
I almost shed a tear, God bless you, I envy those who call you friend.
If I cheated, I wouldn't tell him. If somebody else finds out somehow, then I would tell him because I'd hate for him to receive that info from somebody else. How embarrassing that would be for my husband. If he cheats, he shouldn't tell me. If he does I'll probably want to seek vengeance (with interest) but I imagine that I could forgive after that. Forever is a long a$$ time. I'm not delusional enough to believe that I can fulfill your every need in life even though I hope so and strive to do so.
Oh I forgot to add, if you cheat, the other person doesn't have the right to know. Ignorance is bliss and they have the right to remain happy if they are. If this is a repeat occurrence then just remove yourself from the relationship.
Hmmm. This is an interesting take but I think I agree. These two quotes right here:
"Forever is a long a$$ time. I’m not delusional enough to believe that I can fulfill your every need in life even though I hope so and strive to do so."
and
"Ignorance is bliss and they have the right to remain happy if they are."
Regarding that last sentence, "If this is a repeat occurrence then just remove yourself from the relationship." I'm on the fence about that one. If you leave without giving them a reason, they're going to always wonder and likely place the blame on themselves or become embittered. I'm not sure which is worse, ignorance or reality in that situation.
If they leave under those circumstances, they could give a vague reason. "I'm realizing I'm not ready" or "we're just in different places" or something comes to mind. Idk, I've never had a real breakup but I think I'd rather them wonder why than to think they weren't good enough or think I'm some awful bastard or to stop believing in love.
My ex-hub withhold his mess for YEARS. In one moment where he lied to me about something kinda unrelated…to my face…knowing I knew he was lying…I just KNEW he'd done something. I knew in that moment that he could really, REALLY lie to me…that he'd done some things that he'd kept from me…and my marriage died a slow death from there. This knowledge ate me up for months cause I had no proof. Once I finally decided to leave and disclosed our problems to others, NO ONE believed me…and he fueled that by convincing people that he'd done nothing wrong. He destroyed my support system cause everyone thought I was overreacting. You've got to be a cruel mofo to work so hard to deceive your wife and keep a lie going. He had my Mom duped. Who doesn't need their Mom when you're going thru something tough?! I was alone and scared during that 7 month period. I dropped from a size 8 to a size 2. After 7 months of trying to convince me that I was nuts, he FINALLY admitted what I'd known since the aforementioned "moment". You're supposed to protect and love me…not throw me under the bus to save face with our friends and family KNOWING FULL WELL you're a dirty bastard! Yeah, I think I'll pass on working through this…
Cheating is wrong, yes…but it's the lying involved that just totally kills it all for me. I cannot and will not trust you with me after that. Not only did he keep it silent for years, but he took it a step further and denied any and all wrong doing to me, our family, and our friends. I'm strong, but I'm not strong enough to forget that mess. Yes, I have a right to know…yes, I want to know…and yes, I'm leaving…I left.
Cheaters do NOT have the right to remain silent.
I think this saying holds very true…"Everything that is done in the dark, comes to the light".
You would be surprised how stuff happens. Granted sometimes its years and years before the truth finally comes out, it's typically much much worse when someone finds out the truth late in the game.
Most times it's easier to forgive when the person admits they're wrong right away and are sorry and remoresful.
But when someone feels you kept a secret for so long they tend to look at the other person as very evil and hateful and selfish to know they wronged you and never said a word and smiled in your face acting like nothing was wrong….I think it's that part that hurts the most with people.
IMO this woman is building this marriage on lies and deceit and in the end at some point it will all come crashing down.
If she is woman enough to admit what she did to her husband and get them both in therapy this could turn out for the better and the marriage could be saved.
However I think if he should ever somehow find out way later then he seriously may never forgive her…even with therapy. He could easily overhear a conversation and hear her talking about it to a girlfriend or family member, then the sh** will hit the fan.
Plus I hope she's not so naive as to think that men aren't as perceptive as women when it comes to that sort of thing.
Men have just as much intuition as women do. Be it a man or a woman when your deeply in love with someone and you pay close attention to them you typically know when something is up.
Now some people "Choose" to ignore the obvious, but that doesn't mean they don't know just because they ignore it.
God gives everybody men and women a "sixth sense" Everybody has that voice that pops up and may tell you "don't go there" or "go left this time" or "stay home tonite" or alerts you when there is danger and your right mind tells you to run like hell…..
Other thing is whatever made her cheat on her husband the first time she needs to make sure she handles it so that she doesn't cheat on him again. Otherwise the next time she gets bored and happens to meet a fine sexy man or if her husband isn't paying her enough attention then what……..????
Instead of cheating the "Right" thing to do would have been to talk to her husband about it and see if he could do something to keep her occupied.
If he couldn't then she should've took up a hobby like gourmet cooking, pole-dancing, zumba, took a class,joined a damn meetup or something. There are plenty of other things to do when your bored in your marriage besides cheat, and it's your responsibility to think of creative and innovative ways to spice things up.
Otherwise don't get married, stay single then when your bored you can just move on to a new flavor of the week or month.
Forreal this sounds like a woman who had a lot more to learn before she got married. But hey, we all make choices in mates for various reasons…not alawys the "right ones" so whomever you choose depending on the reason is what you have to deal with once you make that choice.
Men reading this post right now like, "Everything done in the dark comes to the light." Yeah, effing right.
When I first read this post I was looking at WIM like, "You making me nervous, you making me think you gon' snitch." But I don't think that's what WIM is trying to say here.
Another thing, ain't nobody going to admit to cheating on this site today. But I know a few of you have. Most of the women who have cheated on this site, have always blamed the man, either it was out of revenge, or because they weren't getting what they needed, or because their was a gap between when they broke up and when they actually signed divorce papers. (Regardless of the fact that you were still sleeping with each other occasionally.)
It's funny you can insert cheating for practice and this makes perfect sense:
Iverson: If I cheated, I cheated. It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about cheating. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about cheating. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about cheating, not a relationship, not a relationship, not a relationship, but we're talking about cheating. Not the relationship that I go out there and die for and live everyday like it's my last but we're talking about cheating man. How silly is that?
Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about cheating. We're talking about cheating man. (laughter from the media crowd) We're talking about cheating. We're talking about cheating. We're not talking about the relationship. We're talking about cheating. When you come to the crib, and you see how I treat her, you've seen me right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about cheating right now. (more laughter)
Reporter: But it's an issue that your lady continues to raise?
Iverson: Hey I hear you, it's funny to me to, hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about cheating man, we're not even talking about the relationship, when it actually matters, we're talking about cheating.
LMAO
I need to watch that "we talking about practice?" vid again…its been a minute.
"Men reading this post right now like, “Everything done in the dark comes to the light.” Yeah, effing right."
Man, you took the words right out of my mouth. I believe many people overly use this saying to give them a false sense of security in some instances to help keep their emotions or insecurities in check.
Also, I know it's a running joke about how men always get caught, you can always tell when they're lying, etc.. etc…
I guess my question is how do you know if something was ever done in the dark if it actually NEVER comes to light….The old adage, "If a tree falls in the woods and you're not there to see it, does it make a sound?" sort of applies here.
Unfortunately, there are many people out there (men and women) that were in past relationships and have done wrong, but never have been caught. These are typically the one-timers. People that get caught most of the time are the ones that step out on their S/O multiple times. Think Russian Roulette…the probability of you getting shot becomes greater the more times you pull the trigger and at the same time it only takes one bullet to kill you. The question becomes, is the excitement worth the risk?
but remember that song, "If Your Girl Only Knew" — Aaliyah wasn't a snitch and I bet his girl never found out.
*Mind officially blown*
You my friend are a genius (seriously, no joke).
God bless you
Oh I've cheated…. and went right back the next day and told my boyfriend. Did it because I felt like it…. Was wrong but eh- I was young.
Yeah, the last time I cheated, I was 15, lol. And, I fessed up as soon as I saw him. Does that even count???? LOL…I was 15 for goodness sake.
Never cheated as an adult. Have I broken hearts? Yup! But, not that way…
"Did it because I felt like it…."
The self-snitching part or the Cheating part?
“Did it because I felt like it….”
The self-snitching part or the Cheating part?
I was thinking the same thing
both.
Another point I want to make is something I learned in the movie "She Hate Me" with Q-Tip from Tribe.
After the guy found his girl with another girl and he finally got to confront her about it and she acted like it was nothing because men cheat all the time and she cheated with a woman not a man.
He broke it down very well and explained to her that he was very much in love with her and regardless of who she cheated with it hurt him deeply because he didn't want to share her with anyone.
When you hold something or someone very near and dear to your heart you don't want to share it right????? Hell we don't wanna share xtra money we get and if we do we not trying to share more than half of it…..so really think about it.
He also told her that what she couldn't understand but would know if it happen to her was that "she took away his choice and his right to choose what he wanted or didn't want to deal with by not telling him and being honest"
She was very selfish and only thinking of herself and her feelings and wanting to "have her cake and eat it to" and not deal with the consequences of her actions.
Other thing to think about is this woman who cheated on her husband by not saying anything and him not knowing or (her thinking he doesn't know) she gets away with something that was dead wrong and she knows it's wrong because she feels guilty for it.
So there are no consequences or serious repurcussions. Therefore she could develop an attitude of: I got away with this once then I know I can get away with it again and there really is no reasons (besides love and moral reasons) for her to cheat again.
But obviously love and moral reasons weren't enough to stop her before sooo………………
I wanna hop in and say 1) She Hate Me is a great movie. Probably in my top 5 favorites. 2) The quote you cited and that scene from the movie raises a great point. As TWIsM said above, by keeping your partner in the "dark," so to speak, while you may maintain their happiness, it is based on a false sense of security and ignorance. Ignorance may be bliss but at the same time you have also removed their right – not saying it's guranteed – to make a choice in whether they want to stay with you.
Of course, cheating in itself is a selfish act, as it is usually meant to satisfy your own needs with blatant disregard for those of your partners.
I have cheated and felt guilty about it, but never fessed up. I tried to on occasion, but couldn't bring myself to do it(coward). It was a ONE time thing, and I felt guilty, immediately, vowed to myself, never again. And I never did. I continued with the relationship, and although, without divulging the truth, at some point I felt it wasn't necessary, as I was certain it would never happen again, so why destroy something if at that point was working out. ..Double standard, maybe, but reflecting back, I WOULD want to know immediately, if at all possible.
I have even been cheated on, and found out, by overhearing a one-sided phone conversation my ex-husband was having with the other woman.. THIS..After I had come back to him, after a short separation(for one of many reasons), not necessarily cheating. I actually sat on the information for a few days
trying to think of a master plan to cut his d*ck off in his sleepbefore confronting him. I was shocked because, up until this point, there was on circumstantial evidence, and of course he’d lie his way out, or so he thought, pior to this. So, I had the choice to believe him or continue with the relationship, not believing him or leave. I stayed. But this was, as they say, “straight from the horse’s mouth.” But eventually confronted him, we “discussed it” and tried to work through it. Though I wasn’t given the courtesy of his confession prior, since he was STILL cheating, and got caught, I was still able to make an informed decision about where to go from here.Although, at one point, I did agree with some that say, it’s best you don’t say anything if you want to continue the relationship, as I did, that ONE time, which was not with my ex- husband, btw. Because it can bring so much chaos to the relationship, where there may have been ‘harmony’ after the creeping. But, now, I feel the person being cheated on has the right to know that you are not the “perfect” person they believe that they are in love with. They have the right to question your loyalty. You, the cheater, deserve the right to know, if your love can withstand “anything”, just as much as the person you’re cheating on deserves to know, or gauge how much you really love them. You should not go on, unpunished. Now, they say, once a cheater, always. Not so. At least I don’t believe, depending on the maturity of the person, and the depth of the relationship, you can move past it. But you have the right to know if it is possible.
Now, they say, once a cheater, always. Not so. At least I don’t believe, depending on the maturity of the person, and the depth of the relationship, you can move past it.
Thank you
If my man ever cheated on me, I'd be pissed simply because he didn't invite me…
But honestly, if he cheated and it was a one-time mistake, don't tell me that sh*t. I have no desire to become extra paranoid and obsessed about your infidelity if I decide to stay with you, or deal with dividing assets, breaking legal ties and setting up custody/child support if I decide to leave.
I do believe that emotional cheating is much worse than physical cheating. While I can understand giving into lust for another chick, I can not understand becoming intimate in an emotional/mental way. That kind of cheating would hurt me profoundly because our emotional intimacy is what I hold most dear. Most physical affairs that occur within marriages/LTRs start as emotional affairs and then develop into physical ones.
I've never cheated, but if I did and it was certain I'd never get caught, I would still tell. That's not a secret I could keep and still function normally. I would feel like there was a degree of fakeness in my relationship. I couldn't go on letting a man adore me when I know he doesn't know the full extent of my indiscretions.
Also for me STD's would come into question.
Many times folks are very sexually irresponsible…men and women…and no contraceptive is 100% gauranteed.
Condoms break (especially when they are old) and can come off inside the woman if too much she gets too dry or too much lube is used. Also if the condom leaves any part of the penis exposed…which it typically does, if that person has warts, syphillis, herpes then the woman is possibly exposed to it.
Birth control pills aren't 100% because some womens bodies don't respond to them as they should and they can still get pregnant on the pill.
This is why I refuse to take back men who cheat. It's just not worth the risk for me.
This another way AIDS/HIV gets spread amongst married folks when 1 or both step out the relationship.
It's just not worth it.
Has anyone ever seen that show on Oprah's network, OWN, called "Unfaithful: Stories of Betrayal" ?
http://www.oprah.com/own-unfaithful/Unfaithful-Ab…
I saw it once or twice and it's actually all stories of a spouse cheating and the couple rectifying the marriage and living happily ever after (well, for the present moment at least). Some of these real life stories gave some different perspectives on infidelity and the not so far fetched idea of keeping the marriage intact and surviving this terrible occurance.
I don't need to watch another Oprah Special to know this..
I know couples personally who have dealt with infidility (hubby slid off) and they have chosen to stay together and work it out, 1 couple marriage became even stronger because of it but the other couple's marriage is dying a very slow death.
I think for a couple to work through infidelity BOTH the wife and husband has to be willing to sit down and really communicate and get everything out in the open whether professionally or on your own. It takes a very strong person to get over something like that and continue to stay together, and honestly I don't think I'm built for it.
Cheating is the Ultimate DealBreaker for me.
It's an actually a show and not a special (I thought it was a special, too, when I first watched it! Then I'm like..hold up…this is a series???? lol)
But on the show each couple seeks professional help and sits down with a therapist or something of that nature. The funniest thing is the re-enactments and the actors they get to play the real life couple, who are being intereviewed throughout the episode, lol.
But yeah, I agree with you…it's definitely a deal breaker for me, more than likely.
i've cheated before. *shrug* sh!t happens. did i tell her? after our relationship was already over and we had the "closure" talk i admitted it to her.
if i was married and my wife had a one time slip up i wouldn't want to know. i can forgive but i could never forget something like that and every time i looked at her i would probably think about that. i'd rather have not knowing than having that feeling about my wife.
+1
AMEN !!!!!
Eh, guess I'm going to be the odd man out. Outside of the conception of a child or a life long STD, infidelity doesn't rank that high for me as 'reasons to call it quits'. Not saying I condone it, but there are far more egregious things that can transpire and hurt a relationship than having sex with an outside member. The first two the come to mind are obviously abuse and giving up on the relationship.
Being loyal is more important than being faithful for me. You can be tethered to the loins as much as you want to be, but what about being there if I fall into a depression? What if you have a miscarriage? What if I lose my job? What I get cancer? Will you be with me then? Those, and obviously more, are more pertinent situations that need to be overcome than you doing the slip and slide with another guy or gal.
"Not saying I condone it, but there are far more egregious things that can transpire and hurt a relationship than having sex with an outside member." o__O
Like what. Murder?
Please elaborate. Thanks
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A habitual liar is worse. As is someone who abuses their spouse. People who give up on relationships as soon as there are arguments/disagreements. Those who don't want to contribute to the relationship and only make demands. People with vastly different values and desires. All of those and more can hurt a relationship exponentially worse than cheating.
HE DID !!!!
"Being loyal is more important than being faithful for me. You can be tethered to the loins as much as you want to be, but what about being there if I fall into a depression? What if you have a miscarriage? What if I lose my job? What I get cancer? Will you be with me then? Those, and obviously more, are more pertinent situations that need to be overcome than you doing the slip and slide with another guy or gal".
"Eh, guess I’m going to be the odd man out. Outside of the conception of a child or a life long STD, infidelity doesn’t rank that high for me as ‘reasons to call it quits’. Not saying I condone it, but there are far more egregious things that can transpire and hurt a relationship than having sex with an outside member."
"Being loyal is more important than being faithful for me."
I COMPLETELY cosign. My former fiance cheated on me, however before I found out about it, we were having a lot of problems that eventually lead to him just packing up his stuff and walking out of our apartment.
I was pretty young at the time, so it completely devestated me. I felt like he just gave up on everything that we were building with eachother. I found out a couple of days after he left that he had cheated on me. He was gone for a few weeks…but soon after, he was back knocking on my door begging to come back. We reconciled. Obviously it didn't work out. I didn't look at him the same anymore.
But you know what? To tell you the truth, I was more pissed that he LEFT me than I was that he cheated on me. I got over the cheating part… but the abandoment is really what cut me deep, and I never was able to fully put my trust in him again. I guess in the back of my mind, I felt like I always needed to be prepared for him to bounce again.
No one wants to think their husband or wife will ever cheat on them after they have professed their love for one another in presence of family, friends, and GOD but it is a feeling they may have deep inside but afraid to confront. I don’t care how much u love a person, if u have a feeling of suspicion, it is best to speak from ur heart and emotions if u notice a pattern change in ur SO. I have a story to tell that Ive been wanting to share for awhile now cause I need some advice:
I have a friend that Ive known since college. We never really hung out with each other cause I saw him as nothing more than a classmate. Well, four years later at that time, we found each other on FB and we reconnected. He confessed to me that he always had a crush on me since undergrad but I never gave him the chance. I did not know he felt this way because he never approached me. Anyway, we decided to leave that college crush in the past and decided to give each other a chance although we lived 6 hours apart. Everything seemed fine with each other, I spent some time with him in his state but once I got back home, things had changed drastically. One thing led to another, I became pregnant, we both decided it was best they we should have an abortion. Even though he wasn’t there physically, he was there emotionally and I kept him posted via phone on my doctors’ appt, etc. Fast forward, a couple months later, I was on his FB page and I found out he was in a relationship. I confronted him and he jus said “it jus happened.” I was upset, deleted him from my friend’s list and just put it behind me. He kept calling/texting me, wanting to see me but I didn’t trust him. New Years Day comes around and he told me he lied about being in a relationship and he still wanted to see to me, I believed him. After Vday, a guy friend of mine (moreso, girlfriend…lol) told me that the guy updated his relationship status from relationship to “engaged”. I was at work when I found out and I was heated. Once again, I confronted him via voicemail cause he wouldn’t pick up the phone. When he finally contacted me via txt, he told me “I am not getting married, someone hacked into my page, if im getting married, when is the wedding date??” He was adamant about not getting married and he was mad at my friend for telling me. Anyway, being the detective that I am, I decided to do my own investigation. I found out the girl, ive seen engagement pix via Google, and I was able to get access to her FB page. It took months to gather my information but the final piece of the puzzle is when her FB profile pic changed with him in the picture. I presented my evidence to him and of course he lied at first, then finally admitted everything. I found out he was getting married that summer and I was crushed and decided to cut him off completely. All he did was apologize. So, it is exactly a month after his wedding and I get a txt from him that says “U can wake up now the show is over. How are u doing?” I had to take a double take cause Im shocked to see his # come across my phone. Anyway, he continues to call, txt, email, and stops by to see me when im in his city cause now we live closer but Im not visiting him. He doesn’t talk about his wife or call her wife. She is labeled “her”, “she”, or “ third-party”. He would get jealous when I try to date other guys which makes him even more persistent to pursue me. He has a private email that he wife doesn’t know about cause he really wants to keep me around. This emotional cheating eventually led to physical and he wants to continue because his wife doesn’t fulfill his needs. This has been going on for two years til the present since he has been married. Im wrong to say this but I didn’t feel guilty spending the nite with him because I was still emotionally attached to him but I know I will have to let him go. I don’t think he will ever tell his wife but Im ready to put him behind because not only do we have a personal relationship but a business one too. How come I feel guilty and he doesn’t?? I don’t know what to do. It feels like I cant get rid of him no matter how hard I try and Ive tried, several times. Please Help Me!!!!!
WOW… ummm I think this should have been a post ALL BY ITSELF. good luck..
LOL..
Ya Think… She needs to send this as a Dear Streetz "Strawberry Letter"
All joking aside MistyBlue, I hope you find your answer.
Thanks, I think Im goin to submit this as an post because him, the marriage, everything has me confused and I jus need answers cause im lost.
First off that Ghaye dude is a snitch and should be forced to suck a bag of dirty d!cks. Just b/c you play for the other team doesn't give you the right to turn on your gender.
Misty I am not going to lie. I like this dude you are seeing (he could move a little smarter though) and I like you b/c you haven't snitched.
The only part of the story that reminds me too much of yesterday, is the aborito. But that was your call and truth be told I think you made the right call.
I'm kinda trying to figure out what's attractive about a man who's doing this with your knowledge, lol. I'd think his actions, past and present, would be a complete turn-off. But, what do I know…
You're gonna have to beat your heart into subjection here. If you have an unhealthy addiction to this low-life (he is a low-life), you may need to make some drastic changes like move (I know I wanna who let go of her place and moved in with someone else so that she couldn't take a particular man back), change your cell number, have his numbers blocked, block his texts and emails. Don't wait for you heart to want to get rid of this guy…let your brain make this decision.
But, as others have said, the ultimate decision is about what's best and right for you. I do hope you love yourself enough to see that some other woman's husband is NOT what's best or right for you though. Every good woman deserves a man of her own. 😉
What if her best option is to be the side chick?
It could work out.
@MISTYBLUE ? Sweetie?…….Wow. Really what advice or reaction do you actually want, need or expect from anyone here? I'll try just for the sake of trying tho:
There is no way I believe you don't know the wrongs or rights in this situation. If you were wondering tho…..AIN'T NO RIGHT! That mess is allllll kinds of wrong. He's wrong, and you're wrong too. Feelings, attachments, "love" call it what you wish, and that maybe what it is in your mind but to him I think the high of STILL getting over on you is even better than the sex! If it was love or anything like it for him…ummmm he probably wouldn't be married to someone else, ya know? You keep being the sneaky that's giving up the freaky if you wish but believe as long as you're falling for it, he'll keep catching you on his peen.
As for the "why do you feel guilty and he doesn't" comment. I sincerely feel like that's some bull. You're not guilty enough to stay off that tricky dicky so I just don't think I can even go there w/ you today. #ThatIsAll
CO-SIGN!!!
CO-SIGN!!! I just didn't have the energy to explain all that after reading that! lol
First of all, that only happened one time over a year ago since he has been married. When we first met, he was single when I became pregnant/abortion and his now wife was previously engaged. So he was seeing the both of us at the same time. I said I felt guilty because we stay in contact with each other on a daily basis. So it is more of an emotional relationship than physical. Im glad I made the choice to have an abortion because 1) neither one of us was ready at the time and 2) I had no clue he was goin to get engaged to anyone because he clearly told me he was single.
@MistyBlue…
I understand… So I will not judge. I've had the part time man and believe me it will not get better. This is a wonderful arrangement for him. He has a wife plus a woman who 'knows her place'. What more can he ask for? The question is… How do you benefit from this?
I'm with cynicaloptimist81 " I do hope you love yourself enough to see that some other woman’s husband is NOT what’s best or right for you though. Every good woman deserves a man of her own."
@kema we have a good friendship and it is alot of flirting via email, txt, and on the phone. I like him but I dont have any strong feelings for him anymore like I did before I found out about the engagement. I dont want him I jus want to be left alone. He thinks once I move to closer to his city that he will be able to spend more time with me and that is not goin to happen. I have tried to end contact with him several times but he doesnt want that to happen. Im not trying to benefit from this, he is very persistent guy almost to the point of stalking.
Now see………*sigh* with the reply you posted to what I said, I was actually swinging in my opinion of the situation, like ok only happened once..it's more about trying to break ties with him etc. That I could understand. Glad I kept reading tho because this reply HERE ^ is massive amounts of contradictory!
You have a good friendship w/ a lot of flirting (email, txt and phone) BUT YET…you don't want him you just want to be LEFT ALONE?? He is persistent almost to the point of STALKING tho??
Not to be all in your shiz but you're the one that put it on the table….. Why would you be flirting with someone who is "almost" to the point of stalking you? How will flirting with him give him the impression that you want to be left alone? These are just sincere questions no #shots at all, I just can't help but wonder how he is supposed to assume you are remotely serious if you continue interacting w/ him this way (and on a daily basis at that) It would be easier to get him to leave you alone if you stood firm in what you know is the right thing for you. It would be easier to get over if you cut the ties with him. You can block calls, emails and texts, but you have to be willing to do what it takes so you can get out of that situation.
Also, I never called your decision to not have the baby into question. I'm not for or against them when it comes to anyone's life but mine. I will say It was pretty logical given the situation tho.
@Misty Baby You are delusional … Your situation is a product of you allowing it to get to where it is today. You have a good friendship??? Are u excusing you twos relationship because you have a good friendship despite him being married? If you want to be the side chick, be it … but don't act as if ur engaged in some helpless situation. You prolly like persistent men, i personally don't have the patience. But persistent is as persistent does, if u get broken down then there's no reason for him not to continue to persist if it'll eventually work. You're fighting a losing battle, hopefully ur strong enough to move on and make moves for yourself or you can continue to just be the perfect side piece (Lowkey jealous of dude…He's winning).
I'm with monalisa on this one…
Misty, this guy is NOT a good friend. "Good friends" don't carry it like this, I'm sorry. For him, you are an additional option.
Control your scene, girlfriend! *two snaps* Take back the control! Stop answering calls and responding to texts & emails. You may not have feelings for him anymore but your behavior is saying otherwise. If you don't like him like that, don't respond to his advances. You're giving him signals that read "Open for business" instead of "No Longer Serving YOU".
You got an android phone? Mr. Number will eliminate him for you… #teamandroid
And, if he's dag near stalking you, consider calling the cops!!! I don't wanna watch a story about you on the ID Channel…
@ Top5DOA im not delusional and Im not chasing him because I want him. It is the other way around. If u only knew what type of guy im dealing with then u will think differently. Im not a side chick, we dont hang out cause we dont even live near each other. I can easily move on and I have moved on. And we do have a friendship because we have alot in common including business matters.
"@ Top5DOA im not delusional and Im not chasing him because I want him. It is the other way around. If u only knew what type of guy im dealing with then u will think differently. Im not a side chick, we dont hang out cause we dont even live near each other. I can easily move on and I have moved on. And we do have a friendship because we have alot in common including business matters."
I don't understand your original question, I guess. You said you wanted help? But with what? Moving on, or getting a restraining order? It seems to me everyone is just tryin to make you understand that you really don't have an issue, you can't fix yourself. It's simple, cut him off. It doesn't matter HIS persistance, unless again, you are still interested. You like the chase. We do sometimes. Nothing wrong with that. But at some point you have to realize, you're creating your own drama. STOPIT. I had an ex I was still chexing every so often, and eventually realized I had to make a decision, LETITGO… I left it alone. We're still cool. I don't talk to him on a regular. He's not calling me. But I was straight with him. THISGUY.. as you say, is only continuing because you LETHIM… Whatever 'business relationship' you have with him, keep it strickly business, or find some other way to deal with him if you must keep a business relationship. #thatsimple.
Exactly!
Hmm.. After lurking for about a 2 months, its about time I got on here.
If I was cheated on, I want that girl to tell me ASAP. Usually, you can have suspicions, and those turn into nothing but frustration. Once a person cheats, parts of their being changes. If you even have a thought of it goin down, the regular things they do come under scrutiny. Every time you see them texting, how they talk, shoot, even pourin a glass of juice and you look at em funny.
Once a person cheats it is over, period. "I got bored" is a lame excuse to do it. How can you dedicate your entire relationship to keeping both entertained by yourself? It takes two baybay. If it was worth it, you'd fight to keep it exciting somehow. Also, if a person truly respects you, they would not cheat, especially more than once.
Trust is truly everything, or else you'll go nuts. How can I stay with you if everytime I'm playing NBA, and my boy keeps pickin "ISO MOTION" plays, I think he's trying to give me a hint at somethin?
Welcome sir.
I have very little to add… <del>but I'm gonna anyway</del>
But for me, your intent matters. Are you telling me to improve our relationship, ie work on whatever the catalyst for cheating was? Are you telling me to "get it off your chest"? Do you plan on staying? On leaving? All these things matter to me.
If it happened once and there's a good chance I'll never know and you just wanna hear me said "it's ok". I. Don't. Want. To. Know. #MarioWinans Ya selfish bastid.
If you're leaving me, I do want to know, so I have some sense of what the eff happened.
Just know that tell or not, stay or go, whatever happens – this will change things, probably beyond repair. Hope that strange was worth it.
There is a morning show in New York City called Boomer and Carton, as in Boomer Esiason, the former NFL MVP. They have a saying:
"You lie to Children, You lie to Women… You don't lie to men"
Assume what you will. Never Confess. Never feel guilty. Never let your wing man get caught. Love being in a relationship, but I played by man law rules. And now retired from goon life, I still have those morals and will pass them on to my son.
And as to WIS other point, about messing with a married woman, I am an animal and I get an EXTRA kick out of touching other people's property. Its like a free meal, always taste a little better.
@Nicholas Minaj …. Lol i see you've let your wings go a lil more now that that thumbs down option is no longer … Lol … And i'm not mad at it at all … at all……
Cheating in a relationship/situation and cheating in a marriage is different to me.
I tell every man I date – I can't put you johnson in my handbag and take it with me so I trust that you only wip it out to pee – if you do something else with it that's on you. If I find out its over.
Now if I was married like many have said here it would be a struggle. I can't say what I would do
but it depends on the circumstances.
I will admit – I've cheated on an ex but at that point they relationship was over and I was being a punk and weening myself off of the relationship #nobeuno! I have never been caught or questioned about it either.
Would I want to know – I only ask what I want to know #realtalk and if I'm asking I've peeped some pattern changes…… What I would want to know if you start having the urges so we can work throught it!
You are so lyrical…
Are you being funny Clint? LOL
No, I been reading your posts and you are so straight forward. You pull no punches… As a songwriter, a good song is best when the lyrics are strong… Your posts are strong and potent…. That's why I said your so lyrical… I should have explained it. Sorry if I confused you…
I was so caught up in answering the "would you want to know question" that I forgot to acknowledge the fact that this married friend…..is a effin MESS! She may as well go back to the party (and bullshid…and party…..and bullshid *in my Biggie voice*) Just taking random tricky dicky because, being married is NOT in her bag of tricks.
Not only did she cheat for SIX MONTHS….but she telling?? I seriously doubt that you, our most esteemed WIM..are the only one she has had that conversation with. She can not have any respect for this man (or maybe she just doesn't know any damn better!!!) By spreading around what she has done she is basically making a joke out of him. Someone she tells may just take pity on the man and tell him. I'm not a fan of snitching but doesn't she realize that "two of us can keep a secret, only if one of us is dead" ?! Once you put it out there only God knows where it's gonna end up.
I feel like if you are not going to have respect enough to tell me…you DAMN SURE better not be out there telling other ppl, and mofos that I know (even if only by association with you)? Ultimate disrespect. Insult HEAPED upon injury. SALT RUBBED IN THE WOUND!!!
AKA "IMA EFF YOU UP!!!"
For clarification, I'm friends with this girl so I'm bound to keep things between me and her because that's what friends do. I dont know the dude like that, other than through her, so I have no real loyalties/ties to him. If I did, it might be a little different. I just wanted to clear up that it wasnt some random girl telling me all her business over the office water cooler. lol
LOL I did remember that yall were friends (and you didn't really know dude like that) Funny how I've had random ppl tell me the most OUTLANDISH details of their personal lives, just for the hell of it apparently?? Anyway, I digress. My main point was unless you are her bestest bestie evvvvver (said that in my valley girl voice lol) The fact that she told you leads me to believe it's more than likely you're not the only one she told.
I learned along the way that most folks couldn't hold water if they were a jug (and ya paid em). Trusting them as a friend or not, there are certain things I think you shouldn't put out. Telling anyone (to me) implies an urge for one of two things, to "brag" or to confess. I fully believe if you are not going to tell your mate, lock that story in the deepest dungeon of your soul and keep it moving. That's why I say confess to your mate…..or to the priest.
All that is to the left tho because I have faith that our WIM ain't no sniz-itch!!! *rocking my STOP SNITCHING white tee*
Great post WIM!!! *bravo*
I've been in both the receiving end and giving end, pause, of this situation. And I also agree with you, cheating is wrong, period. As your friend's story goes, what mainly sometimes gets every body is the guilt of what they id that culminates them and eats at them.
I'm not gonna try and deny and say that I've never cheated because I would probably be struck with lightning, I have, several times… did he find out? Not never. I've been cheated on… did I find out? All the time. Even after years of not being with a person, I've had yet to admit to them that I cheated on them, only AFTER, they cheated on me. I made sure he felt guilt about it, all the time… I already knew the relationship wasn't going to work out, the moment he cheated on me our relationship ended… What I did was just out of pure revenge and spite *evil grin*…
Once there's been unfaithfulness in a relationship it is very hard to come back to it as if nothing ever happened, its always lingering over your head, all this curiosity and what ifs… I think that once a person in a relationship, specially a marriage, has crossed that line its never the same, its already doomed. That doesn't go to say that it makes a relationship stronger, because it can and there's been success stories out of it, but how much do you want to bet that whom ever got cheated on always has that thought in their back of their head just wondering…
To me its simple: if you still think that after being in a committed relationship you'll have urges or wants that your significant partner can't fill then why stay? Why even bother in the first place?
Im curious of what everyones opinion is on the number of people who cheat in relationships percentage wise both married and unmarried? Most couples i know either one or both of them have cheated. Im with Malik cheating even though its hurts your pride like hell isnt the worse thing you can do to a person in a relationship. The majority of people men and women would cheat in the right scenario with the right person (keep it real).
I think the number for both married AND unmarried cheaters has risen because….women have now REALLY joined the game. Back in the day you had "wives" and you have "hussies" (pretty much) Now…a lot of wives ARE hussies (lol IJS) Women have pretty much started going to the lowest common denominator. Men have been dogs, ain't shyt, good for nothing etc for so long and now for some odd unfathomable reason a lot of women have decided if ya can't beat em, join em. *kanye shrug*
I do agree tho that cheating is not the worst thing you could do to me. It may hurt my pride the most, but their are some things in life that are way more important. Like would you be there for me if (God forbid) I fell sick with some illness, would we have enough love and a deep enough bond to make it if (GOD FORBID!!) we lost a child. Would you stick by me if I lost my job or for whatever reason became unable to work for a long period of time. Shoooooot, I don't give a care how "faithful" you are if you run when REAL LIFE gets REAL HARD!!
Yeah i definately feel u, alot of females have adopted the male approach when it comes to cheating but yall do a better job of getting away with it lol. I have a friend who's been with his girl for years and cheats every chance he gets but i can honestly say he loves her and they have a great relationship. My thing is if hes doing his thing im pretty sure she gotta nig*#a on the side too. Like they say ignorance is bliss
Maybe she does. How else can you explain him creeping every chance he gets because as women we know our men so the fact she probably ain't even trying to find a clue or tuning into her female intuition because she is probably pre-occupied with her side boo.
But they got a great relationship though – I can dig it.
Yep i honestly think this is how alot of those 40+ years and still going strong relationships last. Its a hard pill to swallow but thats life. Have your fun on the side but know where home is… not saying i could accept it my relationship or marriage but it might work for some people.
Reader for a yr and half…first time commenting…*biting nails*
Well cheaters do not have the right to remain silent. You boldly cheated, now boldly confess and allow ur sig other to make a decision to leave or stay. Whether one stays or remains, don't just confess because u are gulity, confess because u are completely remorseful and commited to the relationship. I think guilt only heightens ur awareness of the situation it doesn't necessarily reform you. If given the possibility of sliding into a liaison u should have enough respect for urself and ur sig other to walk away from that supposedly greener grass on the other side. Forgiveness I can do that…but forgetting, not completely. Years ago my ex-beaux cheated…I forgave; we attempted a new fresh relationship together but I couldn't trust him….AT ALL!
~spoken from experience…at both ends
Welcome to the party. You can spare your nails now. lol
I'm sure y'all don't really care about my opinion this late in the comments… wait, who am I kidding? My opinions should get me a tax credit for donations. Anywho, I've been on every side of this situation. I've been cheated on, "cheated" (I use this term loosely in my case), and cheated with.
I wish that my ex-husband had the balls to tell me that he was stepping out. By not doing so, he took my right to choose away from me. It should have been my choice whether I wanted to continue risking my health. Not to mention that secrets ALWAYS come out, and the only exception I can see to that is the rare occasion when it was a one-time thing with no possible chance of anyone else knowing. Besides, if it is an ongoing affair, odds are that I am suspicious and you lying about it just breeds paranoia, self-doubt, resentment, and frustration. If it was genuinely a one-time thing, then our relationship should be strong enough to withstand it. However, not having trust isn't something that most marriages can survive.
As for being the cheater, in my situation I went almost a week convincing myself that it would be selfish to confess. I realized then that this is just an excuse masked as rationalization. My confessing had a lot to do with using it as a catalyst to just end my marriage, but it was MOSTLY about getting it off my conscience. Still, I felt I owed him honesty since it's what I wanted from him.
I won't go into being a third-party to another marriage too much, as I've already spilled that whole fiasco. He confessed to her after things got physical with us the first time and we ended things. He felt terribly guilty (or so he said) and she forgave him. Three months later, we found ourselves back together. She knew that it was still going on and chose to stay, but when all was said and done after 3 years, she said that knowing from the beginning just caused her to feel even dumber for staying so long. It also made her feel stupid when someone would tell her about his cheating (he didn't hide it) and she had to admit to already knowing. In her case, I think she would have preferred not to know even with all of the suspicions.
Yes, it's a long comment. I'm making up for lost time.
@Mistyblue
my sistah, just tell him go. Easier said than done, for your peace of mind you should. Nothing good will come out of this, if u continue to welcome him he will contine to come. In time, all wounds will heal. Your loyalty lies with yourself not him. I have been there, not the exact same situation; he lied about divorce was always married yet it was way more complicated…I walked away, cold turkey.
~spoken without judgements, good luck to you…
That comment just made me real glad you decided to join in the party! Foreal tho. You said that in a way more positive manner than I managed to do. +1 and +1 again dangit!!!!!
@deaconess i totally agree with u. It is easier said than done but it has to be done. I wanna be cordial when I cut off this friendship or whatever it is, even though he may not accept it. I have alot of self-respect for myself and I deserve to find my happiness. I do not want someone's else husband, only my own.
"I wanna be cordial when I cut off this friendship or whatever it is, even though he may not accept it."
Nope, mistyblue. People respect strength…not weakness. Miss Nice Mistyblue is not the woman for this job. Queen Mistyblue Mean's Business So Yo @$$ Bet NOT Contact Me Anymore is the woman who'll make him understand that he has no choice but to accept it.
I wish I could bottle up my ability to burn bridges/chuck the deuces and sell it at Walmart…
I'd buy a bottle. lol!
Women will hold onto a cheating story like it's a gunshot. That right there is a woman's battle wound. Men go around being like, "Yeah then I got shot" that's how you get street cred in the streets. Women go around like, "I got cheated on…" But they got cheated on like fifteen years ago and it wasn't even their husband or boyfriend, it was the dude they was just the man they were sleeping with.
Yep, all the suspecting signs of a Curtia Jackson aka 10 Cent.
Preach Dr.J, PREACH!!!!! They're liars to me… both men and women cheaters… They're both unbalance and don't know what the hell they really want. I think cheating comes from not being self assured. When you don't know who you are or what you want to be, you will keep trying things until you figure out what it is that they really want out of life. It's just a matter of being balanced.
lol…Dr. J many women who lament about being cheated on do so because its fairly recent…..my ex that I was with last year cheated…..I don't go on and on about it but……
Plus it could've been 20 yrs ago….hurt is hurt and pain is pain…..so who are you to tell someone how long their pain can last……..??????
Should they let it go and move on….absolutely….but that doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt like it just happened yesterday or last week.
@Dr.J:
I actually feel you on this. I think women – and you know I love yall *hugs* – treat cheating like they do their xes partner count. Meaning they've got so many different categories, fields, levels, criterion and filters for what they describe as "cheating" for themselves that they can pretty much do anything under the sun and it not fall under their true
MADE UPdefinition of cheating.@WIM
As far body count is concerned…
A.nal, fingering, cunnilingus, BJs dry humping, s*x on vacation, s*x in between BFs… All go on your record & all count as cheating when you have an S/O
I'm late and I didnt' read all the comments but I'll say this: at this point of my life I'll say I don't want anyone to confess anything to me to lift a burden off their guilty a** chest. nope. and if it were me I wouldn't be either. Dropping that load is NOT for me, its all for you. You made your stinking deceitful bed you should lie in it, and suffer whatever consequences that come your way–in this life or the next. If I don't find out on my own and you aren't dead ass someone is about to tell me first– I don't want to know. if you got a baby on the way or got some disease you will be found out. but otherwise call me Mario Winans, and I'm so sincere.
Cosign to the fullest!!! I gotta very big ego (no pun intended) and my pride is every thing to me i rather not know, i rather you just make up a fake reason to break up with me lol. Ill get over it
This has been bothering me all day, although I agree with the fact that women should not stay with a man if he is cheating, I think women take marriage a lot more seriously then men do, whether it was back in the day or now. I think that's the reason why women will go for the finances of a man who cheated on them is because to men money more important to them. Women will want to hit you where it hurts since being with another woman is hitting her where it hurts.
I also hate to say that I agree with Adonis, but I do, Men can cheat but women cannot. It's not about it being a double standard, it's about this: if a woman cheats on a man, he will not forgive her, or if he does, he still will never be with you again. If a man cheats, women have these crazy list of levels that will determine whether or not they will stay. I.e. if it only happened one time, or what it will do to the children. Trust and believe, if you as a woman cheats on him he is not GAF, about how many times it happened, or what it will do to the family. He's still Out!
Oh and let me say this, If I cheated on my husband, I would never out myself, but I'm not a cheater so there isn't a risk of that happening, but if my husband cheated on me, i'm OUT, cuz I know I would never be able to not bring it up and I could never heal from that, so it's best that I end things right there.
I agree Jem, don't out yourself… Some of y'all women like dimwitted men… And dimwittedness needs to be scourged from the earth…
Jemsstar I agree with the first paragraph of what u said…..I don't think it's a matter of which sex can or can't cheat or who cheats better…..men and women shouldn't cheat…if u think u might be tempted stay ya azz single.
I do get what you say about the differences in how men and women cheat as far as emotional ties and the reasons why and the outcomes.
However some men will take a woman back after she cheats….some women will quicly drop a man who cheats…..I think that depends on the level and depth of love and feelings…no so much if its a man or woman….
However, sometimes women tend to put up with more from men because they need the financial support or they are very much in love with that man or it's an ego thing and the woman doesn't want to lose him to another woman.
@Nicholas Minaj & @Top5DOA
The cheating part you absolutely get… And it is very simple… There are gender differences & it is all good when a woman is benefiting, but not the wave when she is not… BS…
Stop screaming pre-nup… Kanye West, I believe was never married… That is a fool's errand… You forget, we live in the "United Snakes Of America" where a good lawyer can tear through a pre-nup like toilet paper… Ask Tiger Woods about that… He was thankful to only give up $110 Million
Stay a bachelor, f*ck multiple women (we know you already do) have kids with foreign women… Or women who believe in working things through between two adults without having the states involved…
Verdict: DontMarryThatB!tch.com
Love is fantastic & all, but this system we live under stifles that, and men need to adjust accordingly
@BreeBree You get it, & I understand… The best revenge in life, is living well… & being happy
@WisdomIsMisery Thanks for at least seeing where I am coming from
@Sade I understand the embarassment, but I don't think breaking up your family & divorce theft is a good alternative
@Kriola
You have already shown your hand on the eStreets & I believe you are an accurate representation of today's modern American woman… And should be onl used for pumping & dumping… And if you got prego by me… I would fight & get full custody from your monkey ***
Question, why would I even give you a ring, when I know you will give it up before marriage (chances are you gave it up to alot of men before me…), chance are you will have a kid before marriage…
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF ME GIVING YOU A RING KRIOLA, also knowing that you might be vindictive if the marriage hits a snag
@LadyNGO @GirlSixx/ChloeRayne @Kema
BTW, I have no problem giving my ex-wife money… She should get a (SMALL) severance package…
But the idea she is entitled to ANYTHING from me… Is complete hogwash… And women like yourselves are why men avoid the altar…
Also, if she is my girlfriend & baby's mother… I can put her in my will
lmfao…i'd love to know how my name got mixed up in this pre-nup/givin exes money talk cuz im pretty sure i made no mention or comment on the topic at all.
In general, Mr so-called-Adonis: please refrain from mixing my name and your lame-@ss interpretation of my character in with your fool-hardy, misogynistic bullsh!t sir. Walkin around the e-streets with a chip on your shoulder because some b!tch broke your heart in the 10th grade (wish i could remember where that comment you left was). GTFOHWTBS.
*drops mic, flips table over, and goes back to watching Scary Movie*
You mean this comment
The One That Got Away: An Ode To Almost Love
Water under a very low bridge… A chip on my shoulder is exactly what I need… I tend to be laid back & lazy…
My interpretation are very accurate….
I don't know what your character is @LadyNgo… But you are FAR from the feminine goddess, I would want in my woman… And your overall temperament gives me hives…
@WisdomIsMisery @GirlSixx,
I FINALLY got the misogyny rap *Cues "We Are Family" Music*… There is a GOD
if you don't know my character then how can your interpretation possibly be correct?!? Right
I don't recall ever proclaiming i was a feminine goddess, whatever thats supposed to be
I definitely don't recall ever expressing any interest in being Mrs. Adonis or one of Mr. Adonis's many side conquests for that matter so of what consequence is it to me that im not what you want in a woman- especially if you intend to be a cheat or should i say "sampler" which i've stated in no uncertain terms is never ok in my life? (was that a run-on sentence?)
Yeah
You mean this comment
The One That Got Away: An Ode To Almost Love
Water under a very low bridge… A chip on my shoulder is exactly what I need… I tend to be laid back & lazy…
My interpretations are very accurate….
I don't know what your character is @LadyNgo… But you are FAR from the feminine goddess, I would want in my woman… And your overall temperament gives me hives…
@WisdomIsMisery @GirlSixx,
I FINALLY got the misogyny rap *Cues "We Are Family" Music*… There is a GOD
Truthfully, you've said a lot of things that I disagree with. I wasn't going to address any of them until you decided to reply to me in specific. Even with that I don't have the energy to list all the thing I disagree with. I will say that I'm glad you're open about it because it gives women the opportunity to run as far away from you as possible.
1.“Men can cheat, but women can’t”
bullsh*t
I can't even respond coherently to this. Every time I try, I get even more pissed off. If the idea is that men can cheat because women are held to higher standards, then maybe men should be held to the same standard as women.
2. "And should be onl used for pumping & dumping… And if you got prego by me… I would fight & get full custody from your monkey ***"
I think you're rude and disrespectful. I don't understand how you can say this type of crap about someone you don't even know. NOBODY should only be used for pumping and dumping. There is this cycle of negativity, disrespect going around that I don't understand. Maybe the idea that some/most/all women are just good for "pumping and dumping" is the reason that more women aren't "marriageable".
3. "have kids with foreign women"
That statement is annoying.
4. "No… I don’t believe in “cheating”…
I believe that men should be allowed to sample foreign coochie outside of their marriage… "
There are probably women out there that are ok with that. Good luck on your search.
5."I understand the embarassment, but I don’t think breaking up your family & divorce theft is a good alternative"
If you noticed, I made no mention of divorce, alimony, child support. I didn't even say how I felt about what happens after a partner cheats, but since you asked…
I would never knowingly be with a man who thought it was ok to cheat/sample. If my man did step out on our relationship, it is possible that I would forgive him. I have to do what's best for my family and what's best for me. I REFUSE to raise children who think it's ok to cheat/disrespect the S/Os. I equally refuse to raise children that will allow people to walk all over them/constantly disrespect them. The idea that a woman should stay in an unhealthy relationship "to avoid breaking up the family" is ludicrous. People should think about things like that before they screw up, not after. The only reason I would collect alimony would be if my husband and I decided TOGETHER that I would stay at home with the kids/take a low paying job for the sake of the family. That would only be until I was able to get a job/get a better job. But then again, I won't go into marriage planning for divorce, and that would be as a last resort.
🙂
@Sade
Truthfully, you've said a lot of things that I disagree with. I wasn't going to address any of them until you decided to reply to me in specific. Even with that I don't have the energy to list all the thing I disagree with. I will say that I'm glad you're open about it because it gives women the opportunity to run as far away from you as possible.
All Good Points… Cause women need to know that their actions as a collective create men similar to me… Spectacular A$$holes…
1.“Men can cheat, but women can’t”
bullsh*t
I can't even respond coherently to this. Every time I try, I get even more pissed off. If the idea is that men can cheat because women are held to higher standards, then maybe men should be held to the same standard as women.
Well women have a craving for getting impregnating with alpha men, & having another raise that child… Women are the backbone of society… As women goes, society goes… Men creeping with women outside of their marriage isn’t hurting society… But cuckoldry is…
Any woman that believes in equality, but won’t approach men, doesn’t believe in men’s equal reproductive rights… & or asking for a man’s hand in marriage is full of sh*t and should not be taken seriously
“Convenient equality” is not equality… so get off your soapbox
2. "And should be onl used for pumping & dumping… And if you got prego by me… I would fight & get full custody from your monkey ***"
I think you're rude and disrespectful. I don't understand how you can say this type of crap about someone you don't even know. NOBODY should only be used for pumping and dumping. There is this cycle of negativity, disrespect going around that I don't understand. Maybe the idea that some/most/all women are just good for "pumping and dumping" is the reason that more women aren't "marriageable".
First of all, don’t hate me for that… Give the credit for the s*x revolution & feminism for freeing up women’s s*xual drives… Men are only responding to to the standards that women set… The bar is on the floor right now…
I think most men outside of the Jermaine Spradley’s of the world believe & know that most (American White & Black) women don’t deserve a ring from any man… @Kriola is the epitome of this…
Any woman who is thinking about divorce court before she even gets a proposal needs a hard d*ck & needs to be dumped as soon as my jizz hits her face, & not a second after… Simple as that…
3. "have kids with foreign women"
That statement is annoying.
They are your competition… Deal with it… They are taking your men… And pleasing them well…
4. "No… I don’t believe in “cheating”…
I believe that men should be allowed to sample foreign coochie outside of their marriage… "
There are probably women out there that are ok with that. Good luck on your search.
Thank You… Most women would rather share a high quality male, than to own a decent or low quality male…
5."I understand the embarrassment, but I don’t think breaking up your family & divorce theft is a good alternative"
If you noticed, I made no mention of divorce, alimony, child support. I didn't even say how I felt about what happens after a partner cheats, but since you asked…
I would never knowingly be with a man who thought it was ok to cheat/sample. If my man did step out on our relationship, it is possible that I would forgive him. I have to do what's best for my family and what's best for me. I REFUSE to raise children who think it's ok to cheat/disrespect the S/Os. I equally refuse to raise children that will allow people to walk all over them/constantly disrespect them. The idea that a woman should stay in an unhealthy relationship "to avoid breaking up the family" is ludicrous. People should think about things like that before they screw up, not after. The only reason I would collect alimony would be if my husband and I decided TOGETHER that I would stay at home with the kids/take a low paying job for the sake of the family. That would only be until I was able to get a job/get a better job. But then again, I won't go into marriage planning for divorce, and that would be as a last resort.
Get a man who is faithful & reliable… Get the best faithful man you can fine… Stay away from men like me who are out of your league… :-):
@Sade Oh, And as far as men & women in bad marriages, cases basis…
My life is built around picking good men & women in my circle of friend…
I cannot do nothing for someone who get themselves in a sticky situation esp. when children & money are involved…
I don't believe women should be entitled to a man's money under 99% of circumstances…
Wheaux!!!!!!!!!!! These comments crazy!
awww Adonis it is not good to put negativity into the Universe, don't worry about me.
@Kriola… No worries…
You are a great example of why men should avoid the altar at all costs… & I deeply appreciate your contribution…
Blog on…
"And I admit I been the type to hit and split
But you can't blame me for the females that I been gettin' wit
Cuz, most of these broads just have they eyes on my grip
Till they ain't gettin sh*t and learn to be satisfied with the d*ck
And, if you aint worth it that's all you get
I ain't gonna blame you imma blame all you tricks
Cuz"
"Karma" Lloyd Banks
Delete… my bad…
@Kriola… No worries…
You are a great example of why men should avoid the altar at all costs… & I deeply appreciate your contribution…
Blog on…
"And I admit I been the type to hit and split
But you can't blame me for the females that I been gettin' wit
Cuz, most of these broads just have they eyes on my grip
Till they ain't gettin sh*t and learn to be satisfied with the d*ck
And, if you aint worth it that's all you get
I ain't gonna blame you imma blame all you tricks
Cuz"
"Karma" by Lloyd Banks
Eventually, nourishment must be cut off from a troll.
I'm not a cheater;never have been & never will be…BUT if I did I would take it to the grave married or not
however I would want my S/O to tell me if they strayed
I know that's selfish but that's how I feel
"So readers, if you cheat and are NOT caught and it is likely you will NEVER be caught, should you still confess to your significant other?"
As a woman who has been on both sides of the cheating fence, I think a cheater should never confess. Never. The man I cheated on has no idea I cheated on him; the man that cheated on me, has no idea that I know. I didn't confess or confront, I worked through my issues on my own, and I have quietly moved on with my life. And so have they. Not having a third party involved lessened the break-up drama.
"If your significant other cheated on you, would you want to know?" No. Never. If I knew, I would have a million questions and would feel like a prisoner of some sort. I would hope that if he still wanted to be in a relationship with me, he would work through it. Me knowing wouldn't help. If he didn't want me anymore, well, then he needs to go.
"What if they step outside the relationship with someone else emotionally?" I have no idea what this means. I've never heard of someone saying that they've emotionally cheated (I'm assuming you mean without physically cheating). My logic says that emotional cheating leads to physical cheating. But, maybe it's different for men.
@ Sola Mi I have never cheated on a woman but have been accused of it and that was a result a very unstable 7 year relationship i was in. Back to the story and to the question of knowing. I would want to forgive but don't know if I really could. I wanted to break up with same girl when she told she gave her number to some random guy on the internet becuase she was bored and couldn't talk to me anymore.
That being said I would want to know and the story speaks to an even deeper situation I have always questioned even when women get what they want they still ruin it, like this possible hypothetical situation by WIM Which if we were married like most the other people in this post I would walk and just deal with paying the child support and possible/probable alimony. 6 months aint a one time slip up and for reason like that and "I would rather have half of my stuff than all of you"some guy in movie.
PS: It's wrong to cheat if your a dude I'd like to say it's worse because were falling into the same stereotype of what men are always suspected of being dogs and I don't like being that guy; But in reality it's same it when a women cheats we all look bad.
"I would want to forgive but don’t know if I really could."
You might surprise yourself and be able to actually forgive a woman who cheats on you. If enough time passes by, I can imagine you'd get exhausted from holding on to the hurt and anger.
"…I have always questioned even when women get what they want they still ruin it."
Okay, I know as a woman, I am going to have shots fired at me from other women, but I agree with you here. It's a broad generalization, so of course there are exceptions, but I get the crux of what you're saying: women are hard to please.
."…if we were married like most the other people in this post I would walk…"
(I'm assuming you are talking about you and WIM)
Are you sure about that? I was married for 10 years; I hung in there as long as I could trying desperately to make it work. And so did he. I only ask that because as human beings we never know what we're capable of until we're are dead center in the situation. Again, you might surprise yourself.
"It’s wrong to cheat if your a dude I’d like to say it’s worse…"
Respectfully, I don't agree. Yeah, it's plastered into society's psyche that men are expected to cheat, but I think it's worse when a woman cheats – we b*tch and moan about men being dogs, yet a significant portion of us are creeping. I think being a hypocrite is the ultimate form of narcissism.
"But in reality it’s same it when a women cheats we all look bad."
I totally agree with you.
I'll end this comment with this: I felt worse when I cheated than when I was cheated on. Looking back, I don't know what I was thinking. We are all crazy. Men and women. In my ever so humble opinion, I think we are committing ourselves to the wrong partners, and the secret to a successful union (where successful is going to be different for each couple) is finding someone who's "crazy" matches up with yours. I've yet to find a man that doesn't mind my quirky behavior, so it's just a theory.
I know I'm 'tardy to the party', but I was compelled to comment. My bf cheated on me several times last year. We only been together for two. When I found out (not because he told me) I was livid! We were living together by then. After all the promises of spending more time with me and him flaking, I came to him to tell him I needed his attention and company, and he said he'd do better. He FLAKED and was glib about it, telling me not to be mad. I cheated. Fast forward 9 months and I tell him. Now this ninjas mad even tho he started cheating on me and never stopped. He is acting just like I did when I found out. He could've told me cheated , but he was selfish. I try the mature way and tell him and he ignored me. He's mad, disgusted, hurt, etc…and he felt nothing when he cheated on me and lue on his son and grandmother to do it. Cheating sux ass.
I have never cheated.
I have been cheated on- Plenty.
I dont take cheating too personally, for the simple fact that no matter how shitty a relationship is, no one ever deserves to be betrayed and lied to. The decision to cheat, is a conscious one, and therefore inexcusable.
I have forgiven cheating in the past- il never do it again. It IS a matter of character, and i dont like shitty character. Trust never returns, and its EXTREMELY hard to come back from.
I have been cheated on- Plenty
The common dominator is you. I'm just saying though.
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